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alphalfa



Joined: 12 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: true aftermath..? Reply with quote

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The recent SBS broadcast criticizing foreign teachers for not being qualified,etc.. has made many Public schools in Metropolitan Seoul rethink the idea of employing a foreign teacher at this current time. Many schools who had requested a foreign teacher for the March 2005 period have now cancelled the request due to the recent protests of both Korean citizens and parents. Due to this problem, we have had to cancel many teachers until the current issues are resolved/forgotten. "

This was a message I received from Seoulschools who had been(still are?) advertising on this board.

Did anyone secure themselves a public school teaching position in Seoul prior to, during and/or following the SBS broadcast?

Have any of you with a BEd. and teacher certification been stymied?
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt anyone's really qualified to teach at an elementary, or highschool. You must realize it's probably illegal anyways. Of course there's going to be criticism.

Most Korean teachers got ousted after the 'corporal punishment' ordeal too. They're jealous. Might be back biting. And as if the parents really didn't know that most ESL teachers weren't really qualified? Is a real qualified teacher going to come here?

Come on. It's nonsense. The parents should be responsible, and that through the school's network of non-sensibly employing any Joe-six pack, something I'm sure they're quite aware of, but which makes you, and me, the culprit of.

Seoul. Come on. It's foolish.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of teachers working at public schools. Surely you've heard of either EPIK or GEPIK, programs by the federal and provincial governements to get foreign teachers into public schools.

In most cases, we're hired as co-teachers, working with a trained Korean teacher, which should adress your concerns about being qualified.
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Plume D'ella Plumeria



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your definition of "qualified," Rock? Would a B.Ed do it? If so, there are a number of certified teachers, myself among them, teaching in elementary schools here. Qualified teachers do come here for differing reasons.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plume D'ella Plumeria wrote:
What's your definition of "qualified," Rock? Would a B.Ed do it? If so, there are a number of certified teachers, myself among them, teaching in elementary schools here. Qualified teachers do come here for differing reasons.


This is the key question. It seems that having a degree in anything makes one qualified.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
I doubt anyone's really qualified to teach at an elementary, or highschool. You must realize it's probably illegal anyways. Of course there's going to be criticism.

Most Korean teachers got ousted after the 'corporal punishment' ordeal too. They're jealous. Might be back biting. And as if the parents really didn't know that most ESL teachers weren't really qualified? Is a real qualified teacher going to come here?

Come on. It's nonsense. The parents should be responsible, and that through the school's network of non-sensibly employing any Joe-six pack, something I'm sure they're quite aware of, but which makes you, and me, the culprit of.

Seoul. Come on. It's foolish.


Perhaps new guys who havent got a fricking clue about ANYTHING in Korea should keep quiet on some issues? Good idea, no? Employing any joe six pack? The job I have now is a public school job. 4 positions were filled, and over 150 face to face interviews were done in the span of over a month. Im told that this was a small fraction of the amount of resumes they had. It was an extremely competitive process carried out by the government. Illegal? HAHAAHAH you are funny.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
Is a real qualified teacher going to come here?



I really hate when this assumptive and baseless argument gets raised. There are a lot of jobs out there that are quite challenging and suitable for career educators, although I agree that the bulk is 'anyone will do' hogwan stories. Regardless of that fact, there are a lot of career educators that roam the ESL world's nooks and crannies, but often do intermittant stints in Korea/Japan/Taiwan, for the purpose of making the excess income that the other countries fall short in.

I wish more people would try to make the extra effort to expand their thoughts and horizons to include other people and situations outside of their solitary minds. Mad
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is qualified anyway?!?!?!?!
What...because someone has a B.Ed...that makes them qualified to teach?!
I think all this being qualified B.S. is going way overboard.
Sure...it's just a piece of paper...but so is a drivers license, marriage certificate, death certificate, etc... So..if one has no death certificate...they are not dead?
Point being..yeah...that college degree paper is important...but it does not make one qualified to teach.
Teaching should be fun, enjoyable, rewarding, etc. it's a calling. And for many many ESL teacher's in korea...it is not a calling....it's just a....job.
Having said that...look around you at the korean university teachers who have degrees and are qualified to teach! Qualified hell! Same with hakwon korean teachers teaching English.
You have koreans teaching who should NOT be teaching also.
Too much being pointed at being qualifed. It's all a bunch of B.S. I think.
Good teaching comes from experience. Throughout history...many great teachers, leaders and scholars have not been college educated.
While modern day society requires one to have a degree....does that make them qualified?
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