Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

fashion question
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:27 pm    Post subject: fashion question Reply with quote

For the last few years I've been paying closer attention to my teaching wear and I moved up to suits 2 years ago.

The problem is I have no idea about fashion whatsoever and I kind of have to take the word of the tailor. I can't listen to the girlfriend because she'd have me all gayed up in contemporary young Korean male fashion style.

So I'm wondering. Is there a website that explains what's good and what's not?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
canuckistan
Mod Team
Mod Team


Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Image management is the art of powering up non-verbal communication to transmit a predetermined impression. Effective image management can earn the prefessional greater respect, inspire trust, project personal power, efficiency, knowledge and other desirable attributes. The enterprise that neglects non-verbal communication is disregarding a potent business tool."

Business Apparel Categories

Business Formal

- Black or navy suit with a slight sheen or tone on tone.
- White, cream or pale blue shirt preferable with French cuffs
- Never, never wear short sleeves or button down collars.
- Tie with small pattern or plain, tastefully coordinated.
- Well shined black leather shoes with coordinated black leather belt.
- Jewellery that is elegant and not ostentatious.

Authoritative

- Navy, black or charcoal suit preferably with a fine pin stripe
- Double breasted presents itself as the ultimate in authoritative, power look.
- White or light coloured pastel shirt. If the suit is plain wear a striped shirt.
- French cuff - very appropriate. Never wear short sleeves or button down collars.
- Strongly constrasting tie; plain, small pattern or stripe. No picture or large design!!!
- Well shined black leather shoes with coordinated black leather belt.
- Jewellery that is elegant and not ostentatious.

Corporate Dress

- Season appropriate suit, sport jacket or blazer and pant.
- Medium to light coloured shirt with a suit, dark blazer or sport jacket. Button down collars are fine.
- Coordinated tie.
- Dark shoes well polished with matching belt.
- Tasteful jewellery that is not ostentatious.

Business Casual

- Sport jacket or blazer and dress pant or softly structured suit.
- Consider wool, microfibre or even silk. Textured fabrics are great.
- Patch pockets as a nice casual touch.
- Knit top or open collared shirt. T-shirts not a great idea.
- Long sleeves are best.
- Leather shoes with coordinated belt. Athletic shoes, boat shoes, etc... not acceptable.
- Tasteful jewellery that is not ostentatious.

Casual

- Semi casual slacks with a pressed crease in wool, microfibre, cotton or cotton blend.
- Knit top or open collared shirt. T-shirts not a great idea.
- Long sleeves are best
- Leather shoes with coordinated belt. Athletic shoes, boat shoes, etc... not acceptable.
- Tasteful jewellery that is not ostentatious

http://www.execstyle.com/fashion.asp
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: buymybook Reply with quote

Did you really go to college or wasn't it very good. In my last year of college they taught me about professionalism, we had to dress-up one day in class and we discussed the matter. Didn't your father leave an impression on you, mine is a salesman and he finally taught me or I finally was ready to learn how to tie a tie. Go to Hyeondaiiiiiiiiiii department store look for "Perry Ellis," that is a good start. Good luck, and I'm glad to hear you have been and are attempting to look good! I only dress-up when I feel like it or on a special day.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good quality, black, pure new wool suit will never let you down. Work, weddings, furnerals. It's multi-functional and black looks good on everybody.

Observe how George Bush always sticks on the black suit when something heavy is going down. Research shows a dark colored suit gives the wearer a more sober, serious look. A man you can rely on. (not in Bushee's case of course!!)

In korea I'd never buy a heavy suit. Most of the year is too warm for a suit so lighter is better.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: buymybook Reply with quote

buymybook wrote:
Did you really go to college or wasn't it very good. In my last year of college they taught me about professionalism, we had to dress-up one day in class and we discussed the matter. Didn't your father leave an impression on you, mine is a salesman and he finally taught me or I finally was ready to learn how to tie a tie. Go to Hyeondaiiiiiiiiiii department store look for "Perry Ellis," that is a good start. Good luck, and I'm glad to hear you have been and are attempting to look good! I only dress-up when I feel like it or on a special day.


Yes, you rod, I went to post-secondary school. I was a lit major so professionalism consists of growing hair long and writing clever things for the university newspaper. My father left an impression on me that is totally useless for this context -- he wore a uniform.

But the Perry Ellis thing is welcomed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: fashion question Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
For the last few years I've been paying closer attention to my teaching wear and I moved up to suits 2 years ago.

The problem is I have no idea about fashion whatsoever and I kind of have to take the word of the tailor. I can't listen to the girlfriend because she'd have me all gayed up in contemporary young Korean male fashion style.

So I'm wondering. Is there a website that explains what's good and what's not?


Remember that Korean fashion is different from "Western fashion". Whom do you want to impress? I think there are ways to dress well in Korea that are pleasing to the Korean eye, but don't make you look too silly. I think that healthy balance is important. If this is what you want, as a Korean woman for advice.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
Cacique



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to read Details and GQ to learn the basics of fashion and style. You can access them online at:

http://men.style.com/gq

My step-mon taught me a lot of basics too. If you have a female friend with an eye for fashion, take her shopping with you.

Cheers!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that I dress badly now (I think). I wear suits and all, but I'm not really sure what looks good and what doesn't. Some good stuff here to help me out. Thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
It's not that I dress badly now (I think). I wear suits and all, but I'm not really sure what looks good and what doesn't. Some good stuff here to help me out. Thanks.

Thats the hard thing. All of us being in Korea, probably don't have much sense of it either.

Sometimes when I'm back in the non-Korean world, I reflect on how I dress and why. Not sure if its good or bad.

Suits.. some of the English teachers who wear suits got a real weird fashion going on compared to what I'd see among the professionals in cities like New York, Chicago, and such.

Definetely extremely unique and strangely acceptable in Korea. I share your same concerns.

If I bought what most businessmen wear, I think the English Teachers would look at me strange too.

Tough on this question.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear dark suits, usually 3 piece, sometimes not. Light blue or white shirt, never button down collars. I have a lot of ties. I like strong contrast between the tie and the shirt. My ties are mostly striped.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kimchikowboy



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's something on-topic and entertaining.

http://www.twochapstalking.com/archives/000385.html

Here's another link for tips, and you can add your name to their mailing list for specials.
http://www.paulfredrick.com/fashion/pfbuisdress019.aspx

Congrats on moving up, and helping dispel the notion that we foreigners are all unkempt slobs. I think you might be surprised at some of the opportunities that present themselves to you after an upgrade. Appearance is important here.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: buymybook Reply with quote

buymybook wrote:
Did you really go to college or wasn't it very good. In my last year of college they taught me about professionalism, we had to dress-up one day in class and we discussed the matter. Didn't your father leave an impression on you, mine is a salesman and he finally taught me or I finally was ready to learn how to tie a tie. Go to Hyeondaiiiiiiiiiii department store look for "Perry Ellis," that is a good start. Good luck, and I'm glad to hear you have been and are attempting to look good! I only dress-up when I feel like it or on a special day.


If a young man our age who is not a business exec is in a suit it is because he is:

- a Jehovah's Witness
- an unsuccessful salesman
- going to a job interview
- an insecure teacher trying to make a good impression because he's not sure his educating would - like me at the parents' meeting.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: buymybook Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
buymybook wrote:
Did you really go to college or wasn't it very good. In my last year of college they taught me about professionalism, we had to dress-up one day in class and we discussed the matter. Didn't your father leave an impression on you, mine is a salesman and he finally taught me or I finally was ready to learn how to tie a tie. Go to Hyeondaiiiiiiiiiii department store look for "Perry Ellis," that is a good start. Good luck, and I'm glad to hear you have been and are attempting to look good! I only dress-up when I feel like it or on a special day.


If a young man our age who is not a business exec is in a suit it is because he is:

- a Jehovah's Witness
- an unsuccessful salesman
- going to a job interview
- an insecure teacher trying to make a good impression because he's not sure his educating would - like me at the parents' meeting.


I think you're underestimating how much importance Korean place on 'looking the part'. A suit will get you far in this country.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: buymybook Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
buymybook wrote:
Did you really go to college or wasn't it very good. In my last year of college they taught me about professionalism, we had to dress-up one day in class and we discussed the matter. Didn't your father leave an impression on you, mine is a salesman and he finally taught me or I finally was ready to learn how to tie a tie. Go to Hyeondaiiiiiiiiiii department store look for "Perry Ellis," that is a good start. Good luck, and I'm glad to hear you have been and are attempting to look good! I only dress-up when I feel like it or on a special day.


If a young man our age who is not a business exec is in a suit it is because he is:

- a Jehovah's Witness
- an unsuccessful salesman
- going to a job interview
- an insecure teacher trying to make a good impression because he's not sure his educating would - like me at the parents' meeting.


I think you're underestimating how much importance Korean place on 'looking the part'. A suit will get you far in this country.


Oh trust me, I've already figured that out. Everyone at the kindergarten graduation ceremony wanted to take my photo with their kids, even the ones whose kids weren't in my class. Who cares how farcical some of my classes are when I can get by looking well groomed and professional.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: buymybook Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
buymybook wrote:
Did you really go to college or wasn't it very good. In my last year of college they taught me about professionalism, we had to dress-up one day in class and we discussed the matter. Didn't your father leave an impression on you, mine is a salesman and he finally taught me or I finally was ready to learn how to tie a tie. Go to Hyeondaiiiiiiiiiii department store look for "Perry Ellis," that is a good start. Good luck, and I'm glad to hear you have been and are attempting to look good! I only dress-up when I feel like it or on a special day.


If a young man our age who is not a business exec is in a suit it is because he is:

- a Jehovah's Witness
- an unsuccessful salesman
- going to a job interview
- an insecure teacher trying to make a good impression because he's not sure his educating would - like me at the parents' meeting.


Your age is what? 21? When I see most of the foreignes in Seoul I cant help thinking that they dress like complete slobs. Taking pride in your appearance is like an alien concept to the unshaven masses of foreigners wearing ill fitting, dirty jeans, sneakers and old sweatshirts.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 1 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International