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Unpaid Bill (in my name) through the former employer
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:33 pm    Post subject: Unpaid Bill (in my name) through the former employer Reply with quote

What is the best way to resolve this.. ??

Through my old employer, I organized to have an internet service give me a line thoughout my teaching contract. I paid all the bills, finished the contract, and at the end of my teaching there.. I went in and asked my Korean supervisor to please turn off the service (as obviously I was leaving). I gave him my account, the phone number, and everything else, and I left a few days later.

Now its been a year.. and that Internet account was NEVER TURNED OFF! So some other foreigner came in, probably got free Internet Service for a year (and definetely had no interest in turning it off).

So now I'm wondering whats the best way to go about this. Obviously I'll have to go back to my employer this week to see what they can do to resolve this.

I have a feeling I'll have to either a) pay for it all, or b) get my employer to pay for it (as its obvious I wasn't using it in their apartment while gone), or c) just have the service cut off (and the free internet receiving foreigner can buy his own Internet) and I won't pay it - leaving the bill to go forever to the apartment) or d) what else?
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Kalhoun



Joined: 30 May 2003
Location: Land of the midnight noise!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the other foreigner to pay for it. S/he resides there~ therefore responsible for it.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HAPPENED TO ME TOO!!

My employer forgot to turn it off after he promised me he would.

My credit card got charged for it.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you both have been here long enough to do this stuff for yourselves.. .
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It happened in my first year.

I learned then NEVER to trust a former employer to do ANYTHING they say they will. Always double-check on them... triple-check, in fact.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger, Tiger, Tiger....

Only been back a few weeks and yet Korea's already taking a bite out of your donkey, is it? Sad But then, you didn't really return because you never really left. Laughing

Your experience serves as yet another example of one of the minor eternal truths that, while perhaps not deserving of "sticky status", at least warrants a few words of caution:

Once initiated, services and subscriptions in Korea often have an uncanny resilience to the efforts of mere mortals to cancel them.

Like the fiend in a Hollywood slasher film, subscriptions & services in Korea never truly die until a female or member of a minority group steps out from behind the crowd and blasts them between the eyes.

And it isn't just a function of newbie first-yearishness, or a problem readily ascribable to language/communication barriers. (Everyone I work with is or speaks Korean, yet we have had many such hassles.) It does, in fact, defy logic or reason. If I were to write a book about the countries I've lived in, this topic could take up a page or two of the "Korea" chapter.

So either take this object lesson on board and prepare yourself in some cases to fight to the bitter end, shout on the phone, physically visit offices and get all ugly and menacing.... or don't sign up for the service/subscription. Make an employer, a landlord or some other Korean do it instead.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is truth to what guru says.

I had to cancel a bank account to keep a Sky satellite from continually taking money from my bank account after I had cancelled and been assured it would happen no more.

To this day, they still send me mail saying I owe 9,628 won. That was nearly a year ago.

I have talked to people there, and it still happens continually.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately you dont have a leg to stand on. The account was in your name and simply making having made a request to your former employer to cancel the service doesnt mean he is responsible for it because he didnt. That is common sense in Korea or indeed any country.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I have a feeling I really can't do anything.

The foreigner who got my apartment basically got it with 250,000 won's worth of FREE INTERNET for a year! Damn that sucker!

I'll still go down to my employer this week.. and I will DEFINETELY cancel the service (probably to the shock of the current tenant of my old place).

Its one of those things that I just assumed they would HAVE to cancel it.. as the apartment is in their name.. and they'd obviously get the bills.. and obviously recognize that they need to cancel it just as they said they would cancel it.

All that being said.. a good lesson learned.. your employer WILL NOT do the things they say they will do - as if I didn't know that one already. Evil or Very Mad

But what the hell.. I'll give my old employer hell just like I did back when I worked for them.. one more time! Cool
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margaret



Joined: 14 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happened to me in Miguk, not in Korea. I left at job in a chiropractor's office doing massage. I had bought an ad in the the phone book the previous year. Even though both the doctor and I said I didn't want to renew the ad, they did anyway and kept charging me for it every month. It took months of calls and a letter to get them off my back.
Margaret
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Unpaid Bill (in my name) through the former employer Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
[A year or so ago] ... at the end of my teaching there.. I went in and asked my Korean supervisor to please turn off the service (as obviously I was leaving). I gave him my account, the phone number, and everything else, and I left a few days later.

[Fast Forward to 2005] Now its been a year.. and that Internet account was NEVER TURNED OFF!

So now I'm wondering whats the best way to go about this.


What I'm wondering is, how does your old employer even know you're back in Korea now? ... unless you rang them up for old time's sake. Or perhaps you went back to your old apartment just to pick up any mail delivered in your absence. But let me get this straight: you're OLD employer, OLD place of employment, and OLD apartment are not the same as your NEW employer, NEW etc., right?

That's all academic now since they do know, but God, what a stroke of dumb luck for the old employer & ISP! You'd think they'd've given up on getting you to pay those bills after a whole year of unpaid Internet charges had piled up and nary a word or a whisper from the "deadbeat" customer. Yet, lo and behold, in waltzes Tiger Beer again! (See, kids -- miracles really do happen, but ya gotta believe in them! Wink )

If it were me, I'd photocopy my passport pages showing I wasn't in the country, and write a short official-looking letter including the name (or at least the position) of the staff of the OLD employer who assumed responsibility for cancelling the service. The amount is too small, relatively speaking, for the ISP to consider mounting a legal battle to force you to pay it, I think. As for your new digs, if you'd planned to use the same (OLD) ISP and they refuse to initiate service until you pay the old charges, I'd just go with a competing ISP, or at the very least threaten to.

The argument that it's your responsibility to make sure these things happen -- cancelled services & subscriptions really do get cancelled and stay cancelled (like the old RAID slogan: "It kills bugs...dead!") -- only flies so far. When it's not within our physical or technical ability to turn off an Internet service (oh, we can yank cables from walls or snip them from power poles), then we really have no other option than to make a reasonable effort (which I think Tiger did) and then simply take people at their word. If they choose to drop the ball, it's they who should pay the consequences.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: Unpaid Bill (in my name) through the former employer Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
[A year or so ago] ... at the end of my teaching there.. I went in and asked my Korean supervisor to please turn off the service (as obviously I was leaving). I gave him my account, the phone number, and everything else, and I left a few days later.

[Fast Forward to 2005] Now its been a year.. and that Internet account was NEVER TURNED OFF!

So now I'm wondering whats the best way to go about this.


What I'm wondering is, how does your old employer even know you're back in Korea now? ... unless you rang them up for old time's sake. Or perhaps you went back to your old apartment just to pick up any mail delivered in your absence. But let me get this straight: you're OLD employer, OLD place of employment, and OLD apartment are not the same as your NEW employer, NEW etc., right?

That's all academic now since they do know, but God, what a stroke of dumb luck for the old employer & ISP! You'd think they'd've given up on getting you to pay those bills after a whole year of unpaid Internet charges had piled up and nary a word or a whisper from the "deadbeat" customer. Yet, lo and behold, in waltzes Tiger Beer again! (See, kids -- miracles really do happen, but ya gotta believe in them! Wink )

If it were me, I'd photocopy my passport pages showing I wasn't in the country, and write a short official-looking letter including the name (or at least the position) of the staff of the OLD employer who assumed responsibility for cancelling the service. The amount is too small, relatively speaking, for the ISP to consider mounting a legal battle to force you to pay it, I think. As for your new digs, if you'd planned to use the same (OLD) ISP and they refuse to initiate service until you pay the old charges, I'd just go with a competing ISP, or at the very least threaten to.

The argument that it's your responsibility to make sure these things happen -- cancelled services & subscriptions really do get cancelled and stay cancelled (like the old RAID slogan: "It kills bugs...dead!") -- only flies so far. When it's not within our physical or technical ability to turn off an Internet service (oh, we can yank cables from walls or snip them from power poles), then we really have no other option than to make a reasonable effort (which I think Tiger did) and then simply take people at their word. If they choose to drop the ball, it's they who should pay the consequences.

Yeah, thats true.

Actually I have stopped by the office already.. they didn't mention the bill.. they gave me a 'proof of employment' and a 'recommendation letter' and they even asked me if I wanted to work for them again another year! (I didn't as I was just getting the other stuff for uni gigs).

It was actually a fellow ex co-worker who gave me the unpaid bill. So no one has really came looking for me. Also, you could be right about the not being in Korea and able to prove it part.

I will just make sure the service is definetely turned off (from now onwards - so this doesn't continue to add up). But will leave the bill as is.. as it really isn't anything I've used. Strangely, I wonder why the internet company DIDN'T turn off service for a year??!!?? It seems like they'd turn it off after several missed payments.
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Dawn



Joined: 06 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Strangely, I wonder why the internet company DIDN'T turn off service for a year??!!?? It seems like they'd turn it off after several missed payments.

Hey, if it's any consulation, it's not just a Korean thing. I'm currently at war with Americal Online over a "free trial" that I cancelled, but that they failed to terminate back in October. Better yet, the credit card associated with the account expired in Oct. But did they terminate the account simply because they didn't have a valid credit card on file? Nooo. They kept service active through Nov., Dec., and Jan. and are now hassling my 61-year-old mother to try to collect the three months' worth of broad-band service THEY billed to an expired card. Granted, they claim they have no record of my cancellation request, but they also claimed that no one from AOL was hassling my mother because her phone number "isn't even our database, so it's impossible for anyone here to be calling that number." (Never mind the multiple phone calls HER phone records show that she's received from them.)
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Free" Internet is increasingly laid on as part of the standard conveniences in Korea these days, from the dinkiest and grimiest of goshiwons to the swankiest of serviced apartments.

Stories like Tiger's would behoove anyone who can to try and make Internet service (in the landlord's or the employer's name) a "must-have" contract item. I know I'd press like hell for it.
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John Henry



Joined: 24 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, but nobody's paid the bill in a year, and the service is still connected? Don't they shut it off if nobody pays the bill in a few months?
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