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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:56 am    Post subject: Meditation Groups in Korea Reply with quote

I'm wondering if there are English-language meditation groups in Korea, whether in Seoul, Busan, Daegu or another city.
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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, totally missed this before.

There are daily Osho meditation sessions in Yangjae.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=29654
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AJRimmer



Joined: 31 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If a proper meditation programme is followed , Even the first timer
can have amazing/mystical experienences in 3 day meditation camp.
Even when Osho himself took camps , his living enlightened energy was
capable of strong effect even in one day camp but , there are many
delicate factors ,based on which Osho always followed minimum 3 day
camp.


That sounded way dodgy to me, "amazing/mystical" experiences...minimum 3 day camp. The word "cult" popped into my mind within about 1 second.

Did a quick search (cause I really do love this kind of thing...and this Osho group has a pretty dodgy and naughty history:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/rajneesh.html

So these guys are the Bryon Bay cult in Australia I'd heard about, they're pretty much the laughing stock of the town:

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Allegations have arisen in Australia that the sill devoted followers of of a dead guru named Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh are attempting to recruit minor children.

The Rajneesh sect, often called a "cult," was linked to an infamous 1984 criminal case in which salmonella bacteria was used to contaminate a US restaurant's salad bars, 750 fell ill. American authorities later deported Rajneesh on immigration fraud charges. He died in Pune India on January 19, 1990.

But despite the guru's death he lives on through thousands of recorded lectures sold as "Osho" tapes and books.

And his still devoted Rajneeshies are also known as the Sannyasins or "Orange People," due to their color choice for group clothing.

There are reportedly 5,000 Sannyasins in the Byron Bay area.

According to an Australian news report children as young as 14 were encouraged to attend a weekend retreat sponsored by the group in the area of Byron Bay on Australia's NSW north coast. The sect circulated pamphlets to promote its youth retreat last December.

There were reports from local residents that some pamphlets were distributed at schools. And they specifically advised that the weekend was for "teenagers between 14 and 19."

"The aim of the camp is (for people) to support each other, to be unique and real, get high on being alive, express ourselves with intensity and sensitivity, and enjoy creativity," the hand outs read.

The Federal Minister for Children and Youth Affairs Larry Anthony, who is a local MP, warned parents about the event.

Later the Rajneeshies said the weekend was cancelled due to the lack of interest, but they are planning another such retreat.

"Our values are not anything I would consider inappropriate," a Sannyasin said. The Osho spokesperson also denied that pamphlets had been distributed at schools.

The Rajneesh devotees maintain a communal compound called Mevlana, near Mullumbimby. The Australian Sannyasins offer so-called "alternative health" and "personal development" programs.

Note: This summary was based upon the article "Concern Over 'Love' Cult," by Simon Kearney published within the Sunday Telegraph/March 9, 2003



I hope no one is seriously thinking of hanging out with these guys, unless its to make fun of them of course,

Chronicpride, check out the cult psychology 101 board on my site, see if anything there reminds you of this Osho stuff


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bits



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:51 am    Post subject: Meditation Reply with quote

There is one at Lotus Lantern every Sunday at 6pm, some chanting (in korean but it is romanized) and then a sitting meditation. There are usually a few foreigners and the rest Koreans. I also heard there is something at a Temple up at Haehwa, I guess a really good Dharma speaker talks there often. I don't know the last Temple is located, but if you really want to know I can get the email address for you.

The Lotus Lantern is in Anguk.
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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We go to a 2-3 day retreat once a month, usually, at a temple near Wonju.

Osho discourses and meditation are far from anything cult-like. It's more closer to a variation of yoga, than anything. It's a physically active form of meditation that cleanses the day-to-day rigors of the mind. Osho discourses are very reflective, philosophically, psychologically, and even scientifically, to enable you to meditate and relax the mind better. On a parallel note, if you are into the behaviorial psychology aspects of Dale Carnegie's literature, then you will very easily identify with Osho's take on things. There is no 'cult following' and is more of an individual pursuit of mental relaxation.

Osho books and audio discourses act in a fashion that is no different than my yoga instructor. Gives you some guidance on how to get your mind and body into a more relaxed state, amid the resistance of the mental clutter of our daily lives.

There is an oft-debated political history surrounding him in the early 80's when Osho took a meditative vow of silence for over 2 years, and his personal secretary and spokeswoman, Ma Anand Sheela and some of her supporters, were given carte blanche to run the commune and eventually started going authoritarian with it. That's when the poisoning happened, which was done to affect voter turnout in the county election that would seal the fate of the future of their commune. Osho re-assumed control shortly after this, and he contacted the FBI about Sheela and her followers. She was eventually charged with arson, mass poisoning, attempted murder, conspiracy to commit murder(against Osho's personal physician), and immigration fraud. She was given 4.5 years in jail. Osho was questioned and eventually deported due to immigration fraud.

The whole early 80's episode, which was all about the political factions of popular religion, plus Ma Anand Sheela's splinter vision of establishing a radical ideology, cast a negative light on the meditative practice and shrouded it with scepticism as a result. Which is unfortunate, as in its purest sense, is pretty harmless. It was the political-religious group crap that causes a lot of stir, when something offbeat comes along. Same thing happened with Judaism, Buddhism, and a mix of others. And the stupid thing is that it's not even a religion, not anything really more than specialized yoga would be, anyways.

Because of the bad press in the 80s, is why the Australian article is waxed so negatively, despite it not really offering any conclusion, other than they were inviting youth to come to a meditation camp. There was not much reference of what meditation is and the purpose of the camps. Because we are so wrapped up in our day-to-day crap of our conscious minds, it literally takes about 2 days of meditation to break our normal mold of thinking, to achieve a deep state of relaxation and meditation. By the 3rd day you start sinking into it and feel a lot more mentally and physically relaxed. That's the basic reasoning for the 3 days, in a nut-shell.

At the heart of it, there are many notable personalities that support him, like:

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Osho will long be remembered as a great philosopher - saint and mystic of the twentieth century. His life and work will continue to inspire future generations of humankind and his powerful message of essential unity of mankind will help us to evolve a new global code of ethics for the improvement of the human condition."
Dr. Manmohan Singh – Current Prime Minister of India and Former Union Cabinet Minister – Finance

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"People like Osho are way ahead of their time. It is a good sign that the youth of today are reading more and more of Osho."
Shri. K.R. Narayanan, Former President of India

Quote:
Osho is an enlightened master, who is working with all possibilities to help humanity to overcome a difficult phase in developing consciousness."
His Holiness, The Dalai Lama


Porridge, I have read your board and all due respect, I understand your scepticism, but you should come and check it out to get a little more clarity of what's actually involved. Even just for a Saturday afternoon in the place that we go to by Yangje station. After observing and getting a little more familiar with what the mediation and relaxation techniques are all about, it'll give you a better perspective to condemn or compliment it.
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AJRimmer



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
We go to a 2-3 day retreat once a month, usually, at a temple near Wonju.
Porridge, I have read your board and all due respect, I understand your scepticism, but you should come and check it out to get a little more clarity of what's actually involved.


Hey thanks for the invite,
I am interested in eventually getting into Yoga and learning some meditation, so I would be interested in coming along. I'll have a ton of free time this Summer, 2 months infact Very Happy , so I might come along then,

I've never had any contact with Osho at all, so yeah I really have no idea if they use cultish indoctrination techniques at all - So I'm not about to go all cult crusady on Osho like I did those JMS / GACP tools Very Happy
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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Meditation Reply with quote

bits wrote:
There is one at Lotus Lantern every Sunday at 6pm, some chanting (in korean but it is romanized) and then a sitting meditation. There are usually a few foreigners and the rest Koreans. I also heard there is something at a Temple up at Haehwa, I guess a really good Dharma speaker talks there often. I don't know the last Temple is located, but if you really want to know I can get the email address for you.

The Lotus Lantern is in Anguk.


This is a good site related to what you are talking about, which gets foreigners involved with staying at temples and experiencing temple life.
http://www.templestaykorea.com/
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Meditation Reply with quote

bits wrote:
There is one at Lotus Lantern every Sunday at 6pm, some chanting (in korean but it is romanized) and then a sitting meditation. There are usually a few foreigners and the rest Koreans. I also heard there is something at a Temple up at Haehwa, I guess a really good Dharma speaker talks there often. I don't know the last Temple is located, but if you really want to know I can get the email address for you.

The Lotus Lantern is in Anguk.


This gathering ain't that international. It's a bunch of middle-aged Koreans getting together to do a little chanting and dharma talk, and then yap away in Korean. It's not so much a practice session as it is a social gathering. Been there and don't wanna do it again.
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