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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:44 am Post subject: Why do some have a hard time in Korea and others thrive? |
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Thats an interesting question. Some people hate it here. And Im not talking about the job only. Some have a real hard time dealing with the natives, they have a lot of run ins with Koreans and are generally the targets of a lot of crap. OTOH others thrive. They just sail through life here with no problems. I wonder why that is. Is it just luck? Or is there a real reason behind it? Are there some personality issues underlying this phenomenon? How people carry themselves? What do you think? |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Not entirely sure. Korea has a strong propensity to pull out the best and worst in people. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
Not entirely sure. Korea has a strong propensity to pull out the best and worst in people. |
Yes, but why does it pull the best out of one set of people and the worst out of another? Lots of people complain about Koreans but Koreans are a constant factor for all of us. Doesnt a lot of the fault for failure/success lie within ourselves? For example, some get harrassed on the subway, street, stores, etc. Others are never harrassed or given a hard time. |
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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It's all about how you look at it... Persective.
I was in Morrocco many a year ago, and I was havin' a relatively good time with a buddy of mine when this Swedish dude, in broken English, told us haphazardly on the street that he absolutely had to get outta Morrocco ASAP, expletive, expletive, expletive... He was pulling at his hair and seemed totally at his wits end... He sure looked like a guy who needed to get out...
I'm guessing we all have our breaking points and some of us reach em and some of us don't.
I'm glad that I'm in the latter group (at least I think I am...), but I have my moments... |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Been puzzling over this for a few years, now.
As for me, it's not so much that I like Korea but rather that I like my place in Korea. Of course there are a few negatives to living here but those things serve as the Captain Hook in my own personal Never Never Land.
I have a cousin working in a �п� in ���� and I've mentioned to her that I could get her an interview at a university with 4 months holiday (she likes traveling) but she wants no part of it. To me that's like turning down a troilistic encounter with two nubile soon to be ex-nuns. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: |
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the_beaver wrote: |
Been puzzling over this for a few years, now.
As for me, it's not so much that I like Korea but rather that I like my place in Korea. Of course there are a few negatives to living here but those things serve as the Captain Hook in my own personal Never Never Land.
I have a cousin working in a �п� in ���� and I've mentioned to her that I could get her an interview at a university with 4 months holiday (she likes traveling) but she wants no part of it. To me that's like turning down a troilistic encounter with two nubile soon to be ex-nuns. |
Why doesnt she want any part of that? Is she afraid? Some people get comfirtable in the hagwon life. Its easy, doesnt challenge you and its safe. A university job would challenge her ability. Maybe she is just scared of taking that step into the unknown? |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Daechidong Waygook wrote: |
Why doesnt she want any part of that? Is she afraid? Some people get comfirtable in the hagwon life. Its easy, doesnt challenge you and its safe. A university job would challenge her ability. Maybe she is just scared of taking that step into the unknown? |
Not enamoured with Korea. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:04 am Post subject: |
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the_beaver wrote: |
As for me, it's not so much that I like Korea but rather that I like my place in Korea. |
Same here. Thats how I have always looked at it.
Actually, many of those who despise Korea seem to suffer from the illusion that they want to be exactly like everyone else and that Koreans treat them like foreigners, when they wanted to be treated just like everyone else. Thats something I never got either though - why would you wanted to be treated just like another Korean?
It essentially comes down to liking your place IN Korea.
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:05 am Post subject: |
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the_beaver wrote: |
Daechidong Waygook wrote: |
Why doesnt she want any part of that? Is she afraid? Some people get comfirtable in the hagwon life. Its easy, doesnt challenge you and its safe. A university job would challenge her ability. Maybe she is just scared of taking that step into the unknown? |
Not enamoured with Korea. |
It would probably change if she got a better job. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Ok, yes, liking your place in Korea is important. But that doesnt address issues like harassment. Why are some people repeated victims of harrassment while others never have any problems? Do we project a different image if we like our place in Korea or is it luck or some other reason? |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Daechidong Waygook wrote: |
Ok, yes, liking your place in Korea is important. But that doesnt address issues like harassment. Why are some people repeated victims of harrassment while others never have any problems? Do we project a different image if we like our place in Korea or is it luck or some other reason? |
I am guessing it depends on what emphasis you place on such events. Some people focus more on perceived grievances, whereas others tend to have it bounce off of them fairly quickly.
A huge part though.. I believe.. is are the other expats in Korea similar to you? If they arent, then you would absolutely hate Korea. A big attraction to me is that expats in Korea think a lot like I do with many of the same interests. |
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redd
Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
Not entirely sure. Korea has a strong propensity to pull out the best and worst in people. |
I think that's true of travel in general. Some people just take to it better than others. I had the misfortune of spending two months in India with someone who was woefully unprepared for backpacking. She realised that travel brought out the worst in her but seemed to be unable or unwilling to change her mindset.
Maybe some people recognise in themselves the inability to adapt and stay home. You never know unless you try.
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I am guessing it depends on what emphasis you place on such events. Some people focus more on perceived grievances, whereas others tend to have it bounce off of them fairly quickly. |
I totally agree! |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:41 am Post subject: |
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By and large, I think it depends on what you project. Some people are completely unaware of what they project. Vibes, body language, and of course where you spend your time all work into it. For example, I'd say no one is likely to get cussed at and shoved on the subway at 6 a.m., on the other hand, at eleven thirty (pm) after a few drinks there are more cussing, pushing and shoving types in the subway system. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Hello, Daechidong Waygook!
I have wondered the same thing, so I asked the same question:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=465&highlight=
Here are my hypotheses:
Those who enjoy the age group they work with tend to be happy here.
If you like kids and get a job working with kids, you are more likely to be happy here.
I have had kids crawl all over me, fight with me, tease me, and call me every name in the book.
And I have loved every minute of it.
Those who didn't do well back home in Anglophonia tend to be happy here.
This is embarrassing, but I'm afraid it's obvious to the enemy camp.
They even coined the term losers and pinned it on us.
Living in this country sure beats dodging creditors, pawning musical instruments, and eating meals at the rescue mission, so I won't complain for a long time.
Those with an interest in foreign language tend to be happy here.
Guess what! They speak foreign languages in foreign countries!
I don't know what other people expectedbut that's what I expected.
Look around, and you may find that those who complain about their students' English are the very same ones who can't speak Korean worth poodle-de-doo.
Here is someone else who noticed the very same thing:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=30494
He must have struck a raw nerve, because other teachers are attacking every petty little detail they can find.
Those with an interest which can be pursued internationally tend to be happy here.
I am interested in music, so I learn about Korean music and Korean folk instruments.
That doesn't mean that one has to be interested in music. Many other interests could keep a person occupied here. History, sociology, visual arts, plants, wildlife, rocks and minerals--the possibilities are endless. I have a friend who is interested in cooking, and she could tell you all about Korean cooking.
On the other hand, I can't promise anything to those who only like Anglophonic sports, Anglophonic movies, Anglophonic fast food, and Anglophonic pop music.
Creative and independent teachers tend to be happy here.
If you spend the whole classtime reading out of the textbook, don't go to sleep.
On the other hand, if you wait outside the director's for an adequate supply of songs, games, and picture books, don't hold your breath. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:24 am Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
Hello, Daechidong Waygook!
I have wondered the same thing, so I asked the same question:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=465&highlight=
Here are my hypotheses:
Those who enjoy the age group they work with tend to be happy here.
If you like kids and get a job working with kids, you are more likely to be happy here.
I have had kids crawl all over me, fight with me, tease me, and call me every name in the book.
And I have loved every minute of it.
Those who didn't do well back home in Anglophonia tend to be happy here.
This is embarrassing, but I'm afraid it's obvious to the enemy camp.
They even coined the term losers and pinned it on us.
Living in this country sure beats dodging creditors, pawning musical instruments, and eating meals at the rescue mission, so I won't complain for a long time.
Those with an interest in foreign language tend to be happy here.
Guess what! They speak foreign languages in foreign countries!
I don't know what other people expectedbut that's what I expected.
Look around, and you may find that those who complain about their students' English are the very same ones who can't speak Korean worth poodle-de-doo.
Here is someone else who noticed the very same thing:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=30494
He must have struck a raw nerve, because other teachers are attacking every petty little detail they can find.
Those with an interest which can be pursued internationally tend to be happy here.
I am interested in music, so I learn about Korean music and Korean folk instruments.
That doesn't mean that one has to be interested in music. Many other interests could keep a person occupied here. History, sociology, visual arts, plants, wildlife, rocks and minerals--the possibilities are endless. I have a friend who is interested in cooking, and she could tell you all about Korean cooking.
On the other hand, I can't promise anything to those who only like Anglophonic sports, Anglophonic movies, Anglophonic fast food, and Anglophonic pop music.
Creative and independent teachers tend to be happy here.
If you spend the whole classtime reading out of the textbook, don't go to sleep.
On the other hand, if you wait outside the director's for an adequate supply of songs, games, and picture books, don't hold your breath. |
Plus it attracts those who are intensely interested in travelling. Its a great base to explore quite a bit of Asia. |
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