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McNasty



Joined: 04 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: Hogwans don't count! Reply with quote

In the eyes of GEPIK, hogwan work experience is not considered an accredited workplace.

It's like 5 years of my life was a complete waste of time. Crying or Very sad

Interesting how hogwans are required to register with the ministry of education , but refuse to recognize them as a legitimate place of employment. Rolling Eyes

I guess Charlie's Chocolate English Factory just isn't repudable enough for the highly regarded GEPIK program. Laughing
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's strange. Gyeonggido school board recognized my two years "teaching" experience in hackwon hell towards getting certified as a Level 1 teacher at my current high school job.
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you didnt read something right or someone is lying to you. Look again, harder or elsewhere.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the place trying to hire you, or re-contract with you is pulling that game, it's definately time to look elsewhere.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They accepted my two years experience no problem. Sounds like a snow job.
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fusionbarnone



Joined: 31 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does one get certified as a level 1 teacher in Korea?

And as far as recognizing what constitutes "accredited", it really depends on who's doing the hiring. I have a friend who was offered a contract with a number of constrictive clauses, she declined, stating she'd rather take a vacation. Weeks up to her departure the offers got much sweeter.

Moving goal posts in order to defeat recognition of abilities so that payment levels remain minimal, is not new. I'd studied for three masters degrees(albeit, none of them ESL) before coming to Korea and there was a lot of dickering as to my worth(read minimum wage theatrics). Later, once my "contribution/s" were "recognized", I'd be asked questions verbatim and to the effect of, "would you like more money?,"in order to induce me to stay on in their program.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fusionbarnone wrote:


How does one get certified as a level 1 teacher in Korea?



In the Korean public school system there are 3 levels a foreign language teacher can be accrediated for. These are Ministry of Education rules and are totally inflexible (as far as Korea goes)

Level 1: masters or TESOL with 2 years experience or home country Teacher's Certificate

Level 2: bachelors with 2 years experience or TESOL certificate.

Level 3: bachelors with no experience.

Exact pay scales and extra benefits differ among school districts and the schools themselves. Also Gyeonggido made me provide paperwork to prove my CELTA course had a least 100 classroom hours.

Being accrediated as a Level 1 teacher has bought me higher pay, more opportunity for over time classes, and more respect from my school (read: being left alone to do my English thingie without inane supervision).
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McNasty



Joined: 04 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am doing some more investigating and will get to the bottom of it.

At this point, the ministry is claiming that my work is experience is not accredited and therefore are unwilling to pay me the level 1 salary that I qualify for.

Part of the problem is that the former principal at my school was the one that is ultimately responsible. Despite the fact that he looked like a kid in a candy store when he discovered I had 5 years experience. Then proceeded to shoot me in the foot.

Is he completely to blame? No.
I am also responsible because I took his word that I needed an MA in order to qualify for level 1 pay. Sadly, that was not the case, and I discoved the truth after the fact.
The money isn't really the issue, for me it's the principle of the matter.

When you get screwed by a hogwan, not that surprising.
When the government gets you, it hurts that much more.
Who's got more class? Apparently, neither.

By the way, I'm not looking for sympathy here, this thread is intended as a warning to those interested in taking a position in a public school.
Keep your eyes peeled and know your rights so this situation doesn't happen to you. Wink
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fandeath



Joined: 01 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hagwon experience helped me with my job at a high school and later at a university.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:


In the Korean public school system there are 3 levels a foreign language teacher can be accrediated for. These are Ministry of Education rules and are totally inflexible (as far as Korea goes)


Depends if you're part of the GEPIK/EPIK thing. The contract that I signed on for doesn't have any levels of pay. If they did bring me under that I'm either a 1 or a 2. Depends what the Koreans make of my BA in Education. Very Happy
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McNasty



Joined: 04 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fandeath wrote:
My hagwon experience helped me with my job at a high school and later at a university.


That's the thing that bothers me. I know that my experience got me the job since I was competing with people with MA's. I actually saw the resumes and credentials of the other applicants.
The principal said they wanted someone with a minimum of 3 years experience.
So it seems like quite the contradiction of wanting someone with experience and then refusing to recognize it, all in the same breath.
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