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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: ... Korea goes Linux |
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Korea has now taken the plunge on the Linux operating system, and is now starting to advocate Linux for use in government and public sector applications. South Korea's Ministry of Information and Communications announced the move today, which will result in decreased Microsoft market share in the region." According to the article, Korea's Ministry of Information and Communication "will provide a total of 3 billion won (US$2.95 million) for government agencies which want to use the Linux and other open-source computer programs this year."
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/29/0322248.shtml?tid=163&tid=190&tid=106
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I found this on slashdot today, it looks like Korea may be heading in a new direction OS wise. Very good news for Linux I think, when you consider how homogenous the koreans are, it's possible linux could take off here in a big way. Considering how advanced they are in IT, it may spell another direction for Linux too - warcraft on Linux ???
Or on the otherhand, it could be just another 'I hate america' stance ... probably a bit of both if you ask me.
Either way though, I think this will benefit Korea enormously in the long run, if they stick with it. I heard somewhere that china is doing more or less the same thing. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Yeah....make a server OS that is less secure than MS the norm in script kiddie/hacker heaven.
Go for it Korea. 
I like the idea of open source much more than the reality of it.
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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... well sure ya, if you want to believe and 'independent' study which just happened to be paid for by M$,
gee thanks bill |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Open source is not the way to go. If you dislike MS enough, then go for it, but do remember that your dislike doesn't mean their products aren't good.
Hating Gates is very yesterday. There is no denying what he is and what he means, but people really need to get over it.
Like Linus Torvalds is any better? Or would be, given half the chance? He only gives it away because he can't sell it. Remember, Linus Torvalds initially released Linux as pay software and then used GPL.
He used GPL not because he loved Freedom or had any sacred feeling for GPL, but he wanted Linux to succeed. If he hadn't used the GPL, Linux still would have the same attitude as FreeBSD or Minix. Though open source by definition looks deceptively similar to the Free Software definition (including half-hearted endorsement of GPL), the real issues are deeper and more subtle.
Open source's love for Mozilla/BSD style licences, which give them the option to turn closed source and "borrow" other developers efforts if they have to, is telling.
The real danger of Open Source is in short, crappy software. That, and open source is a nightmare for developers. "Let's work hard for nothing, and have our ideas ripped off to boot!" Right. Lots of talented folks lined up for that position.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the open source guys welcome M$ with it's Shared Source licence into the club, if MS is ready to pump money into the community. MS may even licence some part of it's OS kernel using Mozilla/BSD style licence if it can reduce it's maintenance costs while reserving the right to add proprietory extensions.
Open source is smoke and mirrors. It would be nice if it weren't, but in the end, you will pay....that is, when you are done simple tasking with b-grade software (being the beta testers/software incubators for Linus). Read Eric Raymonds explanation for VA going closed source...cash speaks louder than anything.
If Linux is more secure than MS (which I don't believe) then it would only be due to the fact that nobody uses Linux. Or at least, it's too niche to bother hacking. Nobody is gonna hack rocksandtwigscereal.com... It's like IE vs. Mozilla. When Mozilla rises to the next level, it will be in the hackers spotlight. Then the next "Big Thing" will come along....
Linux....get it together or whatever....
There is nothing wrong with paying for a product. Windows is a good product and it costs money. Linux isn't and it's free. Simple to me.
People will indeed find out about all of this when Linux (if) really takes off. Like swiss cheese, the holes will be seen and man will the mice come running. It will be worse than MS ever was. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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If Linux is more secure than MS (which I don't believe) then it would only be due to the fact that nobody uses Linux. Or at least, it's too niche to bother hacking. Nobody is gonna hack rocksandtwigscereal.com... It's like IE vs. Mozilla. When Mozilla rises to the next level, it will be in the hackers spotlight. Then the next "Big Thing" will come along....
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Sorry dude, but this is crazy talk.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html
Apache is used for 69% of the web servers out there, including those of a great many mainsteam websites.
Most of the people running Apache will be doing so on some form of Linux. Or *nix at least.
Web servers are easily the biggest honey pot on the internet right now. And yet the proportion of sites running Apache is increasing, and the proportion running IIS is decreasing. The fact is, the Apache / Linux combination has two things going for it - it's more secure than MS / IIS, and security holes are discussed and fixed openly, which means server managers have much more control over what they do and don't take. Sure, many server managers couldn't check code deliveries they get to make sure they can be trusted, wherever they come from. But some running Apache do, because they can. MS don't give you that option.
Linux on the desktop is a different matter, but only because the virtuous cycle hasn't kicked off yet. I believe it will. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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we'll have to agree to disagree on this one demophobe  , but there are a couple of things that I'd like to point out ...
firstly, I'd like to say that I don't hate Bill Gates / Microsoft. In all honesty I admire him enormously, both for his industry and vision, as well as for his humanitarian work of late. Also, windows isn't a bad OS, it's a good one - it's easy of use is excellent and from what I've read XP on SP2 is actually quite secure, so well done MS. I don't have any feeling for Linus Torvalds one way or the other either.
As for the GPL, I don't agree with the microsoft executive that recently labelled open source 'a cancer'. Sure there is some ambiguous statements in the wording, but I don't think that equating it with cancer is the type of statement that comes from a company feeling secure about it's position in the market place. The real problems for developers out there doesn't come from licensing, but from patents. MS threatening to close it's development labs in denmark, unless the denmark govenrment supported the EU software patent laws is just one example of MS abusing their place in the market ... there are countless others.
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open source is a nightmare for developers. "Let's work hard for nothing, and have our ideas ripped off to boot!" Right. Lots of talented folks lined up for that position.
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I think that in a network economy, the prize goes to those who are most adaptive. Development by its nature has to mean building on top of what other people have already done. Be that through programming languages, libraries, open source software etc... Every modification and new way of using something breeds ten new uses, and so it carries on ad infinitim. What you own isn't important anymore, it's what you can do that counts.
Open source does not equal non-profit in my estimation, just look at MySQL and you'll see a highly successful open source business model.
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real danger of Open Source is in short, crappy software.
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that's the whole point ... if you don't like it ... fix it !!
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MS may even licence some part of it's OS kernel using Mozilla/BSD style licence if it can reduce it's maintenance costs while reserving the right to add proprietory extensions.
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... well if open source doesn't work, then why are MS jumping on the bandwagon ??
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hat is, when you are done simple tasking with b-grade software (being the beta testers/software incubators for Linus)
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... MS relies heavily on it's own users beta testing their software before they bring it out ... why shouldn't they ?? It's an excellent form of testing!
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If Linux is more secure than MS (which I don't believe) then it would only be due to the fact that nobody uses Linux. Or at least, it's too niche to bother hacking. Nobody is gonna hack rocksandtwigscereal.com
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... firstly no self-repecting hacker/cracker/cyber-criminal uses a MS OS.
... secondly if you have a look at some of the server platforms of the webs biggest companies, I think you'd be quite surprised as to who uses what exactly
Yahoo ... Linux/FreeBSD / Apache
Google ... Linux
Amazon ... Linux
Ebay ... Linux
MS hotmail ... FreeBSD / Apache ... ouch !!! 
toyota ... Linux
disney ... Linux
dreamworks ... Linux
merill lynch ... Linux
Nasa ... Linux
us postal service ... Linux
verizon ... Linux
cisco ... Linux
southwestern bell ... Linux
http://www.linuxscreenshots.com/users.php
nearly every company in the world uses open source in some form or another, be it through a *nix, BSD, Perl, PHP, apache etc...
even the board we are typing these messages on in open source ...
... not everybody is going to jump ship tomorrow and start rolling their own *nix implementation for their desktop, I know that. But given time and a few more good apps/games, I think people may start switching gradually twords things like Mandrake or Debian.
And as far as governments and developing countries are concerned, I see it like this ... giving some a free copy of windows is like giving them fish, sure it helps, but tomorrow they'll be hungry again. Whereas giving them training in open-source software is like giving them a fishing rod and letting them fish for themselves .... |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, crazy talk. I stand down on one point. Only one. Go Linux! |
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thebum
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Linux is far more resource efficient than Windows, and is much better for running servers. I have many computers (mostly servers), and they are all running Linux (or something similar) except my gaming computer and my laptop, which I just got and haven't had time to install Linux on yet. If I could get Starcraft and Battlefield 1942 to run on Wine, then I could get rid of Windows on my gaming computer.
Linux is also much more secure than Windows if you know how to manage it: turn off a bunch of unnecessary services, use a VPN, run a good firewall, use SSH rather than telnet, etc. |
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