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Koreabound2004
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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: Ms. Miss-Explaining ot students |
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In the west, we use Miss/Ms./Mrs./Mr./Dr./Rev.
I am not sure how to explain to my students the diff between Ms. and Miss. My feeling is that Miss is for a younger female, and Ms. is for an older unmarried female....is this correct?
Do we use any other titles that you can think of? |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think that miss is for girls and women of any age who wish to disclose that they are unmarried.
Ms is for women who dno't wish to disclose their marital status. I've been using it since I was 16,
In general i tell my students is best to call a women in her teens or older Ms and then let the women correct them. |
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Bozo Yoroshiku
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Ms. Miss-Explaining ot students |
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| Koreabound2004 wrote: |
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Not quite.
Miss == unmarried female
Mrs. == married female
Mr. == unmarried or married male
Ms. == unmarried or married female
Ms. was created so women could have a title equivalent to Mr. (where your marital status is not known).
Try explaining ma'am and sir... I tell them we use them the same way they use ajosshi and ajumma, and that ajosshi and ajumma are not uncle and aunt.
-boz |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ms. was originally meaning a woman not dependant on a man. |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I abhor the usage of Ms... yuck.  |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| I abhor the usage of Ms... yuck. |
That's fine you can be a Mrs. The point is that we have a choice to say if we are married or not but it's best to use Ms until you are corrected. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| That's fine you can be a Mrs. The point is that we have a choice to say if we are married or not but it's best to use Ms until you are corrected. |
I've never heard anyone use ms in over 34 years of life on this planet. I really don't see that it is important. |
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crazylemongirl
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've never heard anyone use ms in over 34 years of life on this planet. I really don't see that it is important. |
In New Zealand it's the default unless corrected. All my uni, bank stuff etc. was addressed to Ms CLG.
We used to get earbashings from teachers if we called them Mrs or Miss.
For me I don't see why my identity should be constrained by whether or not I happened to be formally attached to a man. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, where I grew up it was more often used for divorced women  |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
| I abhor the usage of Ms... yuck. |
That's fine you can be a Mrs. The point is that we have a choice to say if we are married or not but it's best to use Ms until you are corrected. |
Notice
Women have a choice.
Men do not have a choice.
So much for equality. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| SuperHero wrote: |
I've never heard anyone use ms in over 34 years of life on this planet. I really don't see that it is important. |
In New Zealand it's the default unless corrected. All my uni, bank stuff etc. was addressed to Ms CLG.
We used to get earbashings from teachers if we called them Mrs or Miss.
For me I don't see why my identity should be constrained by whether or not I happened to be formally attached to a man. |
I think it is basically the same in Canada, although most teachers went by Miss or Mrs. by their own choice. Unfortunately, "Ms." makes me think of "Ms. Pacman," and it sounds kind of harsh -- but it's what I used until I got married. Why did I change? Hmmm... I'll have to think about that one. |
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Hyalucent
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Actually, where I grew up it was more often used for divorced women |
Same here. That's how I learned it. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Ms. Miss-Explaining ot students |
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| Bozo Yoroshiku wrote: |
| Koreabound2004 wrote: |
| is this correct |
Not quite.
Miss == unmarried female
Mrs. == married female
Mr. == unmarried or married male
Ms. == unmarried or married female
Ms. was created so women could have a title equivalent to Mr. (where your marital status is not known).
Try explaining ma'am and sir... I tell them we use them the same way they use ajosshi and ajumma, and that ajosshi and ajumma are not uncle and aunt.
-boz |
I really don't think ma'am/sir ajuma/ajosshi are the same. |
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gypsyfish
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matthewwoodford
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: |
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I find it incredible that in 2005 so many of you don't know what 'Ms' means.   |
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