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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Challenging higher level students in public school classes Reply with quote

My principal has decreed that my higher level students look too bored in class. I'll admit that they are. Unfourtantly I teach classes of 40 where 25% are speaking at intermediate level and another 25% barely know their ABCs and the other 50% is somewhere in the middle of these extremes.

Reflecting that at any one time I basically need to have as much of the class understanding as possible so that things don't descend into chaos my lessons are dumbed down so that it doesn't go too far over the bulk of my students heads. I tend to structure my lessons as follows.

Vocab. Most of it will be stuff that most of them already know but I throw in a few extra words.eg if it's weather. I'll put in things like humid or overcast alongside the usual sunny and windy.

Plug the vocab into a sentence or phrase from the dialogue sentence from the students dialogue.
They then practice the target sentences and vocab. The last part the students usually do some group work which might be practicing the sentences in an interview or some sort of game.

I always try to throw in some open ended questions to let the higher level ones show off. And the team work is a chance for higher level students to help the lower level ones.

Obviously this is an occupational hazard of large public school classes that aren't streamed. So how would i do this.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admittedly this might not work with high school students, but what I've done in the past is break the class up into groups according to level and given the higher level ones more difficult tasks and the lower level ones easier tasks.
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Admittedly this might not work with high school students, but what I've done in the past is break the class up into groups according to level and given the higher level ones more difficult tasks and the lower level ones easier tasks.


I would love to do that. My students are middle schoolers. But my major problem is that I teach 1200 students so unless they are very good or causing discpline problems I have no idea who they are. So placing students into teams like that is nigh on impossible. Also I'm generally against doing group work at the moment unless its at the end of class because the class descends into chaos (I teach boys).

What I might do is add in an extras for experts part at the end of their worksheets. But I know that very few of my boys will actually do extra work.

Oddly the student my principal thought looked bored is actually a lower level one.
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Cherry Ripe



Joined: 14 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:27 am    Post subject: Teaching mixed abilities Reply with quote

Crazylemongirl - this principal of yours is certainly giving you a hard time of late!! I think it's impossible to have all kids peachy keen 100% of the time. And I don't think it's necessarily a reflection on your teaching. Further, it sounds like you already take into account the students differences and pitch the lesson accordingly.
However, I must say that the old substitution dialogue routine is something I rarely use, or if I do, I only use it for a small part of the class. I find it boring myself! I'm a big fan of games - with kids in teams and something worthwhile as a prize. For classes before lunchtime, the reward is being first in the lunch queue (kids have lunch in classroom). Since you teach 1500 students I guess handing out candy everytime could be expensive - you could have a point system and reward the winning team at the end of the month. Or you could hand out fake dollars as rewards to exchange for a prize later...
BTW Have you tried the "Find someone who..." activities? How about taking the class to the school's auditorium and getting to do a game that involves running (eg. Dictation race, team spelling games - you could put poor spellers with good ones)...?
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, I must say that the old substitution dialogue routine is something I rarely use, or if I do, I only use it for a small part of the class. I find it boring myself! I'm a big fan of games - with kids in teams and something worthwhile as a prize.


I'm not so much a fan of games due to the prep time involved in them because I'm preparing stuff from scratch for 40 and it has to last 10 classes per level and the boys destroy stuff unless you keep a very close eye on them.

Also it's really hard to keep the boys on task if (as I am on occassions) the only teacher in my class. I can't take the students out of their classroom, as there is no where to go. And I don't let them out of their seats because there isn't much space to have them running around.

I just have a classroom and board and I come up with jsut about all my lessons from scratch (bar the ones where we do the dialogue). I would love to use some multi media to jazz up my lessons but my school has no laptops available for me to bring to class.

My first graders are learning some imperatives soon so we usually do simon says (which they loved last year) and we're going to play body parts bingo for the unit on health. But for my older students (third years) they just get the dialogue as I only see them once every second week.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here I thought I had problems with hogwan kids in classes of 10 where I have to get the most advanced kid to translate instructions to the least. I've recently found that handing out puzzles works well. The better pupils can finish it in class the not-so-advanced ones can take it home if they want. This is also a good way to get the more advanced ones to help out their lower-level friends.
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazylemongirl.....I understand your pain. I taught 40+ high school boys last year (and I also was the only teacher with no help whatsoever from administration). The school doesn't understand that it's double the challenge to be a female teacher teaching 40+ boys. With that many students, you are bound to have some English "casualties." Your principal just sounds like a power-loving ajeoshi who likes to push women around...at least my principal was like that last year. He even told a Korean female teacher that her high heels make too much noise and that she has to regard him as a father. Rolling Eyes
At the end of my teaching boys, I decided I was going to focus just on the students who want to learn and basically ignore the students who were lazy/discipline problems...because it wasn't fair that the good ones were being cheated out on learning while I was busing telling the bad ones to be quiet. or focusing all my energy on devising discipline tactics( which took all my energy).
Hope it fares well for you...don't worry about your principal...just smile and bow like a good little Korean girl and he should love you for it (my principal did). Besides he needs you more than you need him, so he should put a sock in it.
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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that they magically often bring this sort of thing up near negotiation time, so they can argue that you're not good enough for a raise, etc...
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gollum wrote:
I've found that they magically often bring this sort of thing up near negotiation time, so they can argue that you're not good enough for a raise, etc...


See this is what I don't get. My contract starts on march 1st and I've already taught here for year with nothing really said by my school about my teaching except my vice principal who thinks that I walk on water.

Now every week I get dragged down to the principal's office for a nitpciking. He said one week that I needed to speak more korean because I look more beautiful when I speak korean. Rolling Eyes
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PolyChronic Time Girl wrote:
I decided I was going to focus just on the students who want to learn and basically ignore the students who were lazy/discipline problems...because it wasn't fair that the good ones were being cheated out on learning while I was busing telling the bad ones to be quiet.


This is more or less my attitude most of the time. In a system with so little support or sanity, I don't think it's wrong.
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Koreabound2004



Joined: 19 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My high school is co-ed, but the classes are segregated. So I have some classes of 30-40 high school boys...no coteacher in class for the majority of them. And being female usually means getting very little respect with the boys. It can be absolute torture.

I agree with the other poster, not every student will be interested in your class..esp. boys, and considering that my students are not given grades by me for anything I do with them, and the fact that no matter how well they do they will still pass on to the next level...there is very little to motivate them in my classes...plus add on that I am female, and they also know that I won't physically punish them.... this all equals a recipe for DISASTER in my books.

I try to use games occasionally, ones that I can use for every class....and offer a single candy to the winners...not so bad...or I print off articles that I think may be of interest to them(foreign holidays, etc), and I get the boys to take turns reading lines from the articles...if I have a bad student, I make him read the whole article in front of the class...and later or as we go we usually discuss the articles, and I clarify the terms that are difficult. Sometimes I cut up articles into strips, and highlight the hard words, and give a strip to each student, and get them to look up the definitions of the hard words, read those defs, or make dialogues using such words and present them.
Recently, I have been playing word bingo, using words with sounds that really get them confused P/B's R/L's for example....it really forces them to listen, and when they win, I have them call out the words and really make them pronounce them properly...they enjoy it, and it helps them work on their pronounciation and listening. I don't call out words unless you can hear a pin drop, and the kids who want to play will ensure that the others are quiet or involved. Amazing what they will do for candies or just to win....and these are 17-19 year olds.

As for the kids who don't want to participate...that's not your problem...you can only do so much...but don't let it get to you or stress you out too much. My K-coteachers usually ignore them too, or let them sleep...

Men on power trips here can be quite ridiculous toward females...90% of the staff at my school are males too...so I get a double whammy. I am dealing with them, and it's making me stronger, believe me.
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steroidmaximus



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like your principal's got a burr up his tail pipe about something, not your teaching style. Did he talk to you last year? Was he there last year? Did he make a pass at you? Does he want to make a pass at you but is too intimidated? hmmm. . .
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steroidmaximus wrote:
Sounds like your principal's got a burr up his tail pipe about something, not your teaching style. Did he talk to you last year? Was he there last year? Did he make a pass at you? Does he want to make a pass at you but is too intimidated? hmmm. . .


Well he didn't really talk to me much last year. But in feburary he kept asking me to go away on vacation. I gave a face saving 'oh i have to meet my korean boyfriend' and he shut up about extra cirrcular 'outings' . Now this year I keep getting dragged in for these stupid meetings once a week,

I'm seriously thinking about getting 'married.'
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, CMG, I have found that this years' incoming 1st year students are a real pain in the butt compared to last year's students. They are louder, more obnoxious, and listen to teachers less. My Korean co-workers said the same.

Maybe some of your new students are complainers, and the principal has heard from a mother or two.

Did you get a salary raise? Perhaps you were put on radar because of something like that?
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steroidmaximus



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well he didn't really talk to me much last year. But in feburary he kept asking me to go away on vacation. I gave a face saving 'oh i have to meet my korean boyfriend' and he shut up about extra cirrcular 'outings' . Now this year I keep getting dragged in for these stupid meetings once a week,



Look no further, we have a winna. . .

Mention in passing to your coworkers about the change in his attitude. Mention how you felt bad about not joining the group outing during vacation; express surprise when your coworkers say there was no group outing. Add "but the principal asked me several times to go. . ." Mention the words sexual harrassment while looking it up on the web; leave this page and others (korean dictionary entry, efl law, etc) opened while you teach. This will take a few weeks to put in play, but it should solve the problem. Or you'll lose your job.
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