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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: My kids are getting their first ever honest report card |
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Our useless director decided to start doing monthly report cards again. This had stopped for some reason shortly after I started, which was all the better as they were all BS anyways. After a change in schedule, a new KT and me took over one of our hogwan's worst classes. In her first week, the new KT was told she looked like a retard by one of the kids; she took him to the director who did nothing and the kid came back to class and made fun of her again. This had the effect of making an already abysmal class even worse.
So on Friday she handed me a a stack of reports for the class, I filled out the FT part, and put them back on her desk. Latter she informed me that she had heard from the other KTs that we're only supposed to mark them 'good' or 'excellent' in everything, including behaviour and participation. I informed her that writing on the walls, running around kicking over desks, and wrestling on the floor during the lesson is not good behaviour, much less excellent, and so I had marked these three boys (I think they're in fifth grade at school) 'low'. Her and the director can tell the parents whatever they want and fill out the FT section themselves, but I don't consider lying part of my job as a teacher. After some consideration, she thought yeah, what the hell, shouldn't their parents know about what is happening, and decided to send them out.
Anyone else done likewise, and if so, what was the fall-out? |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Ofcourse Ive done it. What was the fall out? Nothing happened. |
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Col.Brandon
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've done it at the elementary school I work at.
Gave some bad kids a 'D'. My Korean co-teacher changed them back to 'B', but left the report cards with me to hand out, so I changed them back again 
They can save face on their own nickel, not mine. |
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agraham
Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I write the As and Bs in pen, and the Cs and Ds in pencil. That way the boss can change 'em easily. I'm so beyond caring about that. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: what do you care |
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| Just give them the grades they need to keep them coming and trying. These scores mean nothing really, just try to encourage them to learn something and save yourself serious problems. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: Re: what do you care |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
| Just give them the grades they need to keep them coming and trying. These scores mean nothing really, just try to encourage them to learn something and save yourself serious problems. |
That's kind of pointless when these three don't take out their books and are running around wrestling and writing on the walls. Quite frankly I'd love for them not to come so that the others who are trying actually do learn something. |
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agraham
Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: what do you care |
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| That's kind of pointless when these three don't take out their books and are running around wrestling and writing on the walls. Quite frankly I'd love for them not to come so that the others who are trying actually do learn something. |
Then do your best to make sure they don't have any fun. Make them sit. Yell at them when open their mouths or get out of thier chairs. Get permission from your boss to punish them by having them sit on thier knees with their hands in the air.
Do this intensively near the end of the term.
Hopefully they will convince thier parents to switch them to another school. This actually worked on one class I had. The bad kids poisoned the whole class. The atmosphere was disrespectful and stressful. It only got worse when I layed down the law. Each class was torture. But next semester the worst kids were gone and surprise surprise a lot of the bad kids turned to not be that bad after all.
Your other option is to just give up and let chaos reign in the classroom which is what I've actually been doing a lot of lately now that my time in Korea is a few weeks from ending. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Your other option is to just give up and let chaos reign in the classroom which is what I've actually been doing a lot of lately now that my time in Korea is a few weeks from ending.
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EXCELLENT advice! Now that's teaching with care! Good riddance! |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: what do you care |
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| agraham wrote: |
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| That's kind of pointless when these three don't take out their books and are running around wrestling and writing on the walls. Quite frankly I'd love for them not to come so that the others who are trying actually do learn something. |
Then do your best to make sure they don't have any fun. Make them sit. Yell at them when open their mouths or get out of thier chairs. Get permission from your boss to punish them by having them sit on thier knees with their hands in the air.
Do this intensively near the end of the term.
Hopefully they will convince thier parents to switch them to another school. This actually worked on one class I had. The bad kids poisoned the whole class. The atmosphere was disrespectful and stressful. It only got worse when I layed down the law. Each class was torture. But next semester the worst kids were gone and surprise surprise a lot of the bad kids turned to not be that bad after all.
Your other option is to just give up and let chaos reign in the classroom which is what I've actually been doing a lot of lately now that my time in Korea is a few weeks from ending. |
The KT actually handed the report cards to the kids to take home, so they might not even get to the parents. One of the three did look a bit worried, though he was trying not to show it. Since I just took over the class I've been keeping them late. I made the write lines about not writing on the walls and so far they haven't done it. I don't like yelling and the kneeling thing is too much like physical punishment, which I don't like. I think I can mitigate their behaviour a bit through detentions, at least.
In another class I have one little dickhead who's brought me to the conclusion that the only way I can make the class work is to make his life living hell. Since it's only one I think it will be a lot easier. I don't even want to try keeping him late because quite frankly I care so little about him. There's another kid in the class who's trying and seems to have a learning disability, and I'm simply not going to let this little *beep* stop her from learning what little she can. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Your other option is to just give up and let chaos reign in the classroom which is what I've actually been doing a lot of lately now that my time in Korea is a few weeks from ending.
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EXCELLENT advice! Now that's teaching with care! Good riddance! |
When I leave I might well do the same in my last two weeks - let my classes get totally out of control - because quite frankly this is what the director deserves. He does not deserve teachers who try their best to be firm but fair given the support he provides. |
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drgoo
Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Location: Home, sweet home
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
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Your other option is to just give up and let chaos reign in the classroom which is what I've actually been doing a lot of lately now that my time in Korea is a few weeks from ending.
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EXCELLENT advice! Now that's teaching with care! Good riddance! |
When I leave I might well do the same in my last two weeks - let my classes get totally out of control - because quite frankly this is what the director deserves. He does not deserve teachers who try their best to be firm but fair given the support he provides. |
What the director deserves? What about the poor bastard who has to teach the class afer you're gone? Do it right from start to finish.
Love to all,
g |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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What the director deserves? What about the poor *beep* who has to teach the class afer you're gone? Do it right from start to finish.
Love to all,
g |
This is about the only thing that would hold me back in some classes. In other ones, little learning is going to get done until they get a teacher who acts like Nazi and has the full support of the director, so it might not make much difference. Letting the write all over the walls and destroy things might be more what the director deserves. |
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