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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: "Confrontations" with the parents Reply with quote

I've had an accident-prone 2 days: yesterday (although I am totally unaware of the incident) apparently one of my brats trapped his finger in my candy drawer and got in the way of the basket I was carrying.
Today I'm told that his father wants to "confront me" for "whacking his son over the head with the basket, and hurting little emperors finger".

I replied through the medium channeler Korean teacher "tell him i want to sue him because his boy dong-chimmed me and threw a ball at me, not to mention stole the cap off my head in class last week". Seriously, I said, i'm happy to talk to him, but i have no idea what he's talking about."

Today I pulled a girl away from the door, to sit down, not hard, but there was a "click", followed by gales of tears for half an hour afterwards. I've accidentally pulled her wrist out of joint and she is now in a sling!! OMG!! Craziest thing is, the parent doesn't seem to be atall bothered.

So, how can one parent go nuts over absolutely nothing, and another be unfazed by a wounded limb???? Rolling Eyes

And where do these irate parents get off blaming the foreign teacher for every little accident that befalls thier child- while allowing us no means to safely control or discipline their kids?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonjangnim; "just apologise and be polite"

Co-teacher: "just pretend you remember the incident and say you're sorry, or the father will be angry".

Me: I want the father to teach a class of unruly brats in a foreign country where they don't understand Korean, have kids throw stuff at him, be disallowed from disciplining them in any way whatsoever, then apologise to their parents for something he knows nothing about"
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agraham



Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup people can be crazy, and people can be parents, so parents can be crazy.
Apparently the teacher I replaced got exasperated at one of the kids and told him "you're worthless". The kid's dad came to the school and freaked out to the point where they had to call the police.
The teacher left pretty soon after that.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agraham wrote:
Yup people can be crazy, and people can be parents, so parents can be crazy. Apparently the teacher I replaced got exasperated at one of the kids and told him "you're worthless". The kid's dad came to the school and freaked out to the point where they had to call the police. The teacher left pretty soon after that.


Some people should not breed.

Too many children are mentally ill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_1868000/1868187.stm

Well, check out these examples of Really Bad Parents
http://home.fuse.net/mllwyd/bad_parent.html

Four traits common to bad parents By Shelley McKinney
1. Bad parents are immediately defensive when their child is criticized and hasten to discredit the critic.
2. Bad parents expect everybody to be as crazy about their kids as they are.
3. Bad parents cover for their children and protect them from the consequences of their actions.
4. Bad parents have never found an excuse they would not use in order to justify their child's actions or attitude. This trait harkens back to trait #2.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0401badparents.htm
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are forever harking at what good loving parents they are. But to them, love means spoiling the kid until they need psychotherapy.

My parents were happy enough for me to grow my own wings- I remember making a train trip the length of Britain at the age of 12 alone.
Koreans would not let their overgrown 30 year old daughter go on holiday to another country-and if they did they'd send her cash every week to support her instead of letting her find her own job.

The parents care about the boys but don't bother about the girls. You could throw a chair at a girl and the parents wouldn't bother, but look at a precious boy the wrong way and his parents will be all over you the next day. i yelled at a boy for hitting a girl full in the face once- next morning the angry mum pulled him out the hagwon. DUMB.
I've half a mind to punch daddy's lights down the slippery flagstones of the hagwon fire escape.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a parent complain to me that his son thought I didn't like him anymore. To be honest the kid is a great guy and a pleasure to teach. However, one day, when all the students were having a vocabulary test after my class. I got pretty sick and tired of many of the students not paying attention to me. So when I asked him "What's the answer to question 5?" and he replied "I dont know". I looked at his book a little closer and found that he wasn't even on the right chapter. So I took his open vocab book and put it on my desk.

He complained to his father that I did not like him and that all the other students were studying too. His father called and I explained to him that I expect more of his son than the other students becasue he has much more potential. That was okay, but now the kid is a little angry at me because he has to study 20 minutes extra three times a week.

Moral of the story, just say "Your kid is great at English so I give him extra care". That will probably work for 90% of disgruntled parents.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agraham wrote:
Yup people can be crazy, and people can be parents, so parents can be crazy.
Apparently the teacher I replaced got exasperated at one of the kids and told him "you're worthless". The kid's dad came to the school and freaked out to the point where they had to call the police.
The teacher left pretty soon after that.


Haha, reminds me when teenagers piss me off. I've told many after- hour students that I didn't like them, that they are rude and ill mannered and that this will be my last lesson, only to have the parents phone my wife and beg for me to return. You can tell the kids got a beating as they are so contrite and more often than not have written notes of apology.

The dislocated wrist thing is a major thing Rapier. To be honest I'd be on the next plane out of here if I were you. Parents have a way of hitting where it hurts, by that I mean your wallet, and they aren't afraid to threaten police intervention if you don't cough up. Sure they haven't indicated that its a problem but they will listen to their friends and families advice before taking action. If she were my child I'd be at school demanding answers from you. It's times like this where cameras in classrooms can really save your ass.

Good luck! At least a parent cares enough about his son to come to school. If you explain calmly what happened and don't get defensive hopefully all will be ok. Don't believe your own tripe that Koreans don't love their female children. I think your distaste for Koreans is clouding your perception. I honestly believe that Koreans love their children and are trying to do the best they can for them. Sure it's different, but I know loads of well adjusted happy teenagers and adults so something must be working.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've learned a few things about rapier from this post:

1) rapier assaults children and later has no recollection of doing so. He gets angered easily when they act up, and subsequently causes them bodily harm, although he doesn't realize until later how much force he has used. Classic case of alcohol-fueled rage. Or possibly Incredible Hulkentia

2) rapier gets angry when people "unfairly" prosecute him for something he has no recollection of doing, and is known to make violent threats towards his "persecutors." Textbook case of paranoid-schizophrenia.

but most shockingly of all...

3) rapier carries a basket.

Approach with extreme caution.

Sparkles*_*
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Kyrei



Joined: 22 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: I remember when... Reply with quote

I remember being in grade 3 and I used to take forever to walk home from school. I would dawdle and wander about, play in the ravines and forested areas along the way home, and generally take twice (if not three times) as long as necessary to come home. When I did arrive home, my mother would be furious (or at least very worried) and scold me. I clearly remember telling her that my teacher kept me late after class. When asked why, I gave the classic child answer, "I don't know." The fifth time "my teacher kept me late" the teacher got a very angry visitation from my parents, and met it with a very sincere, "I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never kept _____ late after class." My parents were now embarrassed and very angry. The teacher was very embarrassed and angry... I was loudly scolded by both sets of angry, embarrassed adults for this.

The long and short of it is, kids are kids and will say whatever they can think of to escape immediate blame or shame, regardless of what the truth is. I think we have to remember what we were really like as kids and not how we imagined outselves to be.
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agraham



Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How true, how true. I used to get really upset when kids wouldn't pay attention or weren't entirely respectful. Then I remembered what I was like. Now I have a little bit of wriggle room. But my boundries are clear. You don't have to pretend you love learning English, and you don't even have to pretend you like your teacher. If you refuse to learn I'm not going to force you. But you must always have your book open to the right page, you can't raise your voice or leave your chair or bother the students that are paying attention.
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