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Why are Korean movies so good and Korean music is so bad?
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Why are Korean movies so good and Korean music is so bad? Reply with quote

I just started getting into Korean movies. I saw Old Boy and liked it but thought it was probably an anomaly. After watching Korean soap operas and listening to Korean pop music, I was starting to get the feeling that modern Korean is culturally bankrupt.

But then I watched a few movies. And they're awesome. They're great. What's the deal?


Here's what I watched so far:

Spider Forest �Ź̽�
Hypnotized �󱼾��� �̳�
Tasty Sex and Love (not really sure on the English title)���ִ¼��� �׸��� ���
Good Lawyer's Wife �ٶ��� ����

...and the funny thing is, I was picking the dvds purely based on how hot the girl on the cover was.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you're in Seoul come to DGBD in Hongdae this Saturday night to see some good K-music. It's not all like the fluff you hear on the radio
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I dont know what it is but I hate Korean Music and TV. But LOVE Korean movies. Korea has some really talented directors.

This just came to me... The major Korean TV stations, KBS etc are either fully funded by the government or partially funded. Movies, obviously would not be. The popularity of certain muscians is fueled by these TV stations...

Perhaps this is why Question Question
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Billy Pilgrim



Joined: 08 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Why are Korean movies so good and Korean music is so bad Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
I just started getting into Korean movies. I saw Old Boy and liked it but thought it was probably an anomaly. After watching Korean soap operas and listening to Korean pop music, I was starting to get the feeling that modern Korean is culturally bankrupt.

But then I watched a few movies. And they're awesome. They're great. What's the deal?


Here's what I watched so far:

Spider Forest �Ź̽�
Hypnotized �󱼾��� �̳�
Tasty Sex and Love (not really sure on the English title)���ִ¼��� �׸��� ���
Good Lawyer's Wife �ٶ��� ����

...and the funny thing is, I was picking the dvds purely based on how hot the girl on the cover was.


Wow, if you liked those movies you're in for a treat when you actually get hold of good ones.

Wink

(Actually, I like A GOOD LAWYER'S WIFE. Couldn't get through HYPNOTIZED though, and SPIDER FOREST was kinda dull in a confusing way)

Chck out these:

ROAD MOVIE (from the director of HYPNOTIZED, much better)
OASIS
SYMPATHY FOR MR VENGEANCE
MEMENTO MORI
FAILAN
CHRISTMAS IN AUGUST
THE SCARLET LETTER
PUBLIC ENEMY
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james-- i very well may be there, if only to see the mighty swiss james in the flesh

Yeah, Billy Pilgrim, I went to the video store with a list one day similar to yours because I had heard those are good movies. And I couldn't find a single one of them on DVD. Where'd you get them? I need subtitles

chiaa-- I thought the movie industry IS subsidized by the government. but i'm really not sure. I also suspect it comes down to money and censorship somehow. there's something about the structure music/tv industry (which in this MTV era are tightly linked) that weeds out the good and sends the bad right to the top.
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Hagwon Muppet



Joined: 18 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Why are Korean movies so good and Korean music is so bad Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
I just started getting into Korean movies. I saw Old Boy and liked it but thought it was probably an anomaly. After watching Korean soap operas and listening to Korean pop music, I was starting to get the feeling that modern Korean is culturally bankrupt.

But then I watched a few movies. And they're awesome. They're great. What's the deal?


Here's what I watched so far:

Spider Forest �Ź̽�
Hypnotized �󱼾��� �̳�
Tasty Sex and Love (not really sure on the English title)���ִ¼��� �׸��� ���
Good Lawyer's Wife �ٶ��� ����

...and the funny thing is, I was picking the dvds purely based on how hot the girl on the cover was.


Pretty much all mainstream 'teenager' music in any country is crap. You think the stuff Korea churns out is worse than Justin Timberlake or the Backstreet Boys?

I've heard some good Korean music but its not mainstream.
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean movie industry still has some room for young, ambitious movie-makers with a streak of integrity in them. Meanwhile, the Korean pop industry is pure, 100% money-making for the sake of making money. Local "singers" are nothing more than potential handphone models waiting for enough popularity to sign a deal.

Brian
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite is still ���� (the Foul King) -- it cracks me up everytime.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Why are Korean movies so good and Korean music is so bad Reply with quote

Hagwon Muppet wrote:

Pretty much all mainstream 'teenager' music in any country is crap. You think the stuff Korea churns out is worse than Justin Timberlake or the Backstreet Boys?

I've heard some good Korean music but its not mainstream.


Exactly. Like Britney Spears is a musical genius. I'm assuming the OP isn't a fan of boy bands and thinks Korean boy bands can't hold a candle to 'em. We've spend a life time in our culture and pick and choose better bands from the unwashed pop crap. We're new in Korea and have no idea of the musical subcultures. The sum total of any nation's music isn't what's on the top 40 dial.

You think a Korean in the west for a year could tease out, say, OMD's Dazzle Ships or would he think "I can't believe Americans like this Britney Spears crap! BoA is so much better!"

The movies are good, though. Anyone can pick up a guitar and form a band. However, making movies is a pretty big deal. The Korean film industry was a huge pathetic joke for a couple decades. It was only when a couple of their films won some international film festival awards did Koreans begin to think "oh hey, we can make good films... not just cheap softcore..." I think Koreans have generally realized their strengths and their weaknesses and know how to leverage that. Korea can't make Star Wars. But it can make great films with solid scripts. I'm a big fan of Korean comedies, especially romantic comedies.
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harixseldon



Joined: 27 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Why are Korean movies so good and Korean music is so bad Reply with quote

Hagwon Muppet wrote:

Pretty much all mainstream 'teenager' music in any country is crap. You think the stuff Korea churns out is worse than Justin Timberlake or the Backstreet Boys?


Crappy Korean pop seems more all-pervasive here then crappy pop in the US. Maybe I'm just not "down" with good Korean music.
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Merlyn



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The movies are good, though. Anyone can pick up a guitar and form a band. However, making movies is a pretty big deal. The Korean film industry was a huge pathetic joke for a couple decades. It was only when a couple of their films won some international film festival awards did Koreans begin to think "oh hey, we can make good films... not just cheap softcore..." I think Koreans have generally realized their strengths and their weaknesses and know how to leverage that. Korea can't make Star Wars. But it can make great films with solid scripts. I'm a big fan of Korean comedies, especially romantic comedies.


A lot of the movies here aren't any better than the poorer ones in America in my own opinion. I've seen a number of Korean movies that aren't very good, that seem to have no plot, or a plot that is so ridiculous that it just makes the movie itself hard to watch. IMO these are mostly the romantic comedies. They just don't seem to know what they want to be most of the time, drama or comedy, or something in the middle, and they usually go on too long.
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Merlyn



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was on a flight to Japan this past year for a visa run, I was reading an in flight magazine and an article about a Korean director. The comment that he was quoted for said something like "Korean movies are more realistic than Hollywood movies because we recognize that there are shades of gray in people, people aren't just black and white, good and bad". Anyways, I just thought this was a stupid comment, because other than cartoons where the villains are usually portrayed as completely evil or some action movies, I can think of a number of great Hollywood movies where characters or more in depth.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every country has its share of "musicians" and real musicians, but it's the ratio between the two that determines how good the music scene is. There are definately a lot of good musicians in Korea if you know where to look; there are also good jazz clubs here and there and if you are observant you can spend every single night listening to good Korean music.

That being said, there are a number of things that keep the music scene down here:

-Conscription. Having to go off to the army for two years and a bit doesn't help.
-Small houses. You have to go out and pay money to rent a room when you're a band; no hanging out in the basement all day.
-That test to get into university (����) - it eats up all your time in high school. Until you write that test your life is about going to school, then to the hagwon, and studying for that test.
-Marriage. When you're supposed to get married around 25, you don't have all that much time in between coming back from the army and getting married. You don't necessarily have to, but there is definately some pressure involved there.

Since KJI and Bush don't see eye-to-eye on things, and it's their conflict that makes people have to go to the army, you can blame a lot of the bad music on them. Wink
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Billy Pilgrim



Joined: 08 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merlyn wrote:

A lot of the movies here aren't any better than the poorer ones in America in my own opinion. I've seen a number of Korean movies that aren't very good, that seem to have no plot, or a plot that is so ridiculous that it just makes the movie itself hard to watch. IMO these are mostly the romantic comedies. They just don't seem to know what they want to be most of the time, drama or comedy, or something in the middle, and they usually go on too long.


Oh, there are some CRAP Korean movies about, some abysmally atrocious ones:

SAVING MY HUBBY
100 DAYS WITH MR ARROGANT
BAD GUY
THE COAST GUARD
MARRYING THE MAFIA
ADDRESS UNKNOWN

.............funny, Korea's a lot like the rest of the world's movie industries in that respect.
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syclick



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Oh, there are some CRAP Korean movies about, some abysmally atrocious ones:

100 DAYS WITH MR ARROGANT


Amen and amen.
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