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Why Do Koreans harp on about past travesties so much
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Why Do Koreans harp on about past travesties so much Reply with quote

I seem to remember reading an article in the Korean times about a building in Seoul that was raised because it was built by the Japanese. The sad thing about the whole thing though was the lack of consideration for the function of the building. The Japanese built it to buffer winds and other naturally occuring climatic occurrences that would affect the surrounding neighborhood.

I am in the process of trying to find the original article. It was written by somebody working in the Ulsan shippbuilding yards.

The author of the article went on to say that other parts of Asia continue to use the remaining structures left by past colonists because they are quite sound and very functional. Now the Japaneses were quite brutal, and maybe the comfort women should get some compensation, but I think Koreans overdo it sometimes.
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A man was brutally victimized by his neighbours for many years. He endured all sorts of hardships under one neighbour in particular, yet through all of these trials and tribulations, he never once shed a tear. He endured it all stoically without ever succumbing to emotions of grief and sadness.
Then one day, the neighbour died and the man was set free. Not long after, the man started crying and weeping incessantly.
"Why are you crying", people asked him? "Your enemy has died".
The man replied, "Because now there is no one for me to hate".

Some people feel their enmity defines who they are. Giving it up would be like taking away a wall you've been leaning on your whole life.
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agraham



Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I know the building you're talking about. It was near the big royal palace (doeksegung?). Some felt that it was built in it's particular spot intentionally to block the view of what remained of the palace.
It was the seat of Japanese government, and thus held a lot of significance for those who suffered. The Koreans did use it as thier own center of government for quite a few years until they had the means to replace it. If it makes people feel better to blow it up at that point, I say go to it. Past sins are no excuse for current xenophobia, but a building is just a building.
A few pieces of it were returned to the park as a monument to colonialism.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not decided one way or the other on this issue, but imagine if people are reminded of the dark past by a certain building. Perhaps that's how the people felt on the issue.

After all, would you blame a country in Europe for tearing down an administrative building used by the Nazis?
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dbee



Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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would you blame a country in Europe for tearing down an administrative building used by the Nazis?


If the Korean people honestly feel this is the right thing to do, then I'd say fair enough ... it's up to them what to do with their buildings.

But on the otherhand, if it's just the cause celebre of some local civil servant/politician who can't think of anything more constructive to campaign towards, then it's utter foolishness. And another example of chasing your tail politics that the leaders here specialise in.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah! You don't get this in Canada. What Canadian still grumbles about 54-40? And those Metis pretty much haven't said a peep about Louis Riel in modern times. And the Avro Arrow fans never, ever complain about what them there dirty Americans did to destroy Canada's dream of becoming the leading merchant of death.

LEARN FROM CANADA, KOREANS! We forget our past and never, ever complain about it.
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LEARN FROM CANADA, KOREANS! We forget our past and never, ever complain about it.


We may whine a lot, but we don't chop our fingers off.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not like people still complain about the holocaust or anything is it?
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saharzie



Joined: 22 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Koreans have a victim complex that informs pretty much everything they do. They are like a teenager who blames everyone else for their problems and when they dont get their way they protest/set fire to themselves/chop fingers off etc. It is rather sad, although also amusing.
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many times do you have too apologise to the Korean nation before they accept it. Japan has apologised. It wasn't sincere enough. It's the past ladies and gentlemen. The people living today didn't perpetuate these atrocities, others did. As far as historical records go, Korea cannot stand on the mountain and decry others perversion of history, when theirs is just as bad. I do love the place, but their sheep mentality can be wearing at times. Smile
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadsac,

They may have apologized but they never did so officially or go as far as Germany did post WWII.

Furthermore, Germany has not tried to change the history books.

Then, Korea is not the only asian country with an axe to grind when it comes to Imperial Japan. See China lately? Philipines?....The list goes on.

The past exists and cannot be erased. They (the japanese) colonized and occupied this country (Korea) for over 40 years, that means something.

If you visit Africa, I am sure that certain countries remember France quite well and none too fondly. Alrgeria is a good case in point here. The French sure are welcome there.

That is a history that as canadians (I speak for my history) we have no reference for. We were never occupied or conquered (unless you count the British conquest of 1760 and subsequent handover of the colonies to Engloand by France). We never had war on our soil on the scale Korea did. Simply put, we do not have this burden in our past. This makes it a whole different ballgame.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

koreans want apologies!! DAMN why dont they show some thanks first!
cant remember if I have ever seen koreans get up and thank USA for helping them out during the war... have you?
but they always want USA to apologies or japan for stuff...
how about a thank you!!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cant remember if I have ever seen koreans get up and thank USA for helping them out during the war... have you?


Sure they did. The older generation that was young when the war broke out was and is very thankful to the US. This has been stated very often and very officially by the Korean government in official state thanks.... Rolling Eyes

However, the Korean war did happen because of the Allies (U.S. included) since it is they who decided to split the country in two zones of occupation-influence......each side pumping propaganda in in the hopes of swinging the entire country in their camp....

But, nevertheless I-guy, Korea did thank the US for coming to their aid in a war that was started because of Allied mis-handling of world geo-strategy on the post world war world.

The proof is in the cemeteries (ex: big UN one in Busan).
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
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LEARN FROM CANADA, KOREANS! We forget our past and never, ever complain about it.


We may whine a lot, but we don't chop our fingers off.


No. But then Koreans don't mail pipe bombs...
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Furthermore, Germany has not tried to change the history books


No, the Neo-conservatives, Neo-Nazis are trying to pass legislation to erase the whole thing, let alone JUST in textbooks.
There was even a whole thing right after unification in 1990 in which there was a campaign to wipe the slate clean, deny everything. Except most European countries, especially Poland, wouldn't let them do that.

And I read a good article in the Chosun Ilbo recently that tried to compare Poland to Korea.

1. Poland was considered the "gateway" to Europe for almost every invading force from the Huns to the Mongols to the French and finally the Germans.

2. Poland didn't even officially exist from 1794 to 1919 when it was carved up between Germany, Russia and Austro-Hungary. They even suffered the humiliation of having their people fight in 4 different armies during WWI (Russian, German, Austrian and Turkish). Then it was divided again after the bilateral invasion by Germany to the west and the Soviet Union to the East (most people miss THIS fact). It was brutally occupied for 4 bloody years until retaken by the Soviets in 1944.

3. Poland too had ambitions of being the "true" center of Europe and tried to play powerbroker between the Axis (Germany, Italy, Russia [pre-1941]) and the allies. They wanted to play the nuetral player in the power game in Europe during the build-up.....look where it got them.


After all these disasters, there is one thing Poland was able to do.....

It forgave all those that trespassed upon it, something Korea needs to do now.

How do I know all this....I'm am part Polish Wink
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