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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: Another foreign with fake diploma TV report |
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I don't know if it's a rerun, but it's now 8:30am on Tuesday, and MBC is about to air another one of these reports in the next few minutes. Tune in if you can. I really can't wait to watch it.  |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, here's a rundown of the short report.
Showed the two foreigners who were caught recently with the fake diplomas. Showed two foreigners with fake diplomas 'applying' for a job with an undercover reporter (showed that the guys resume had listed that he worked in a toy store...I guess Koreans are still oblivious to the fact most foreigners have jobs while in highschool...then again, the guy was stupid to put that on his resume since it cannot possibly be relevant to any job he would apply for in Korea). So, it's good that they nailed a couple of bozos. I was actually almost enjoying the show until they showed a foreigner hugging a couple of Korean women...oh, well.
One guy was saying that they should develop a system of testing for foreign English teachers. My guess that would increase the number of students who leave Korea to study English. Since it's expensive, chances are lots of parents would pressure the government to allow the 'approved' foreigners to teach private lessons. |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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That is pretty good. I hope the news stations keep it up, but what they really need to be looking at is Lee Hogwon owner and his business model and educational philosophy.  |
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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| why don't they do something about the morons who hire people with fake degrees? |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| paperbag princess wrote: |
| why don't they do something about the morons who hire people with fake degrees? |
Sure, that would solve the problem. For a moment I thought the story might go in that direction, but then it suddenly took a turn for the worse. There were some clear indications that it was catering to the increasingly nationalistic majority and attempting to manipulate xenophobic sentiment, instead of producing constructive criticism that could have helped clean up the hagwon industry. Showing the Korean women hugging a foreigner was more than enough proof of that. They also showed a young man expressing his anger about the problem (my wife translated what he said as, "He says he's angry. Stupid stuff"), as if they were trying to suggest young Korean men should be angry at foreigners. I guess xenophobia gets more attention from viewers than constructive criticism. TV really is the 'boob tube'.
The immigration official that they interviewed said they didn't have the manpower to handle the problem (i.e. screening the foreigners as if we are the source of the problem). Well, a solution would be for them to force the hagwon owners to pay for the screening process. I would also like to see a story where the talk about the hagwons who hire unqualified Korean teachers. My guess is 75% of hagwons hire unqualified Koreans (university students, 3 year college graduates, Kyopos, etc.).
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Showed two foreigners with fake diplomas 'applying' for a job with an undercover reporter |
So the two foreigners were part of a set-up, right?
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| So, it's good that they nailed a couple of bozos |
Then who were the couple of bozos that were nailed? Hakwon owners?
Your story isn't very clear.
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| Well, as usual, the story had a feel that seemed to indicate it was catering to the increasingly nationalistic majority instead of producing constructive criticism that would help clean up the hagwon industry. |
It seems to me that the story was about hakwon owners hiring unqualified foreigners. At least that is what it appears to be about from your story. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Showed two foreigners with fake diplomas 'applying' for a job with an undercover reporter |
So the two foreigners were part of a set-up, right?
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| So, it's good that they nailed a couple of bozos |
Then who were the couple of bozos that were nailed? Hakwon owners?
Your story isn't very clear.
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| Well, as usual, the story had a feel that seemed to indicate it was catering to the increasingly nationalistic majority instead of producing constructive criticism that would help clean up the hagwon industry. |
It seems to me that the story was about hakwon owners hiring unqualified foreigners. At least that is what it appears to be about from your story. |
The reporter posed as a hagwon owner looking for teachers. They found two 'illegal' teachers. I believe nothing was said about the ones who applied that were qualified. They could have been just two out of a hundred applicants. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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The government needs to go to the source of the problem - the Korean business owners who hire these illegal teachers.
Until the Korean Government starts targeting the business people who hire illegals to teach English in Korea, anything else is just a 'band-aid' solution.
So then, it seems, the Korean government isn't really all that interested in eliminating the problem of illegal English teachers.
Same as in Taiwan, massive amounts of illegal teaching going on here and the government/police/immigration just seem to turn a blind eye to it.
My guess is that many politicians/bureaucrats/police officials own or have friends and family that own these lucrative buxibans. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Something that nobody seems to have mentioned is the fact that a lot of these "hagwans" who hire illegally are new to the game, don't know the rules any more than the goof-balls they bring over as "teachers".
Certainly not all, but many. Many of them are starting out, and don't know that it is illegal to hire part-timers etc. and on top of that, they can't really afford to pay a full time foreign teacher.
I really think the laws ought to be changed to allow part-time work at multiple locations. No wonder so many hagwan bosses lie just to get a teacher over here, according to Korean law - they have no choice.
I'm not saying there aren't 'bad wonjong nims' out there that are evil, greedy, lying b@stiges, there are. But there are also those who just have no clue and are as much victims of the stupid government rules as the teachers they have to scam in order to survive. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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I had a beer with a guy last night here in Taipei.
He was teaching illegally in Seoul working for agencies. The guy just did the visa runs to Fukuoka.
Apparantly he worked hard but made 4 million a month. Stayed in a foreign residence in Hongdae.
Being illegal can be lucrative. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| paperbag princess wrote: |
| why don't they do something about the morons who hire people with fake degrees? |
The immigration official that they interviewed said they didn't have the manpower to handle the problem (i.e. screening the foreigners as if we are the source of the problem). Well, a solution would be for them to force the hagwon owners to pay for the screening process. |
The only problem I see with that is that once someone is screened, they would be "OKed" to work in Korea. So then, after a year contract, the next hakwan owner wouldn't have to pay for the screening process for that same person. So eventually you would get owners saying that it isn't fair that some have to pay for screening and others, who hire from within, don't. There could be a lot of infighting in that case. It might be possible we would see the number of jobs shrink in an instance like that.
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| That would assume that immigration is organized enough to keep a person's records on file. I've had to give a copy of my degree and transcripts for each new job, what makes you think we wouldn't need to be screened repeatedly too? |
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The evil penguin
Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Doing something naughty near you.....
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Seems to be fairly new crack-down. I'm in the process of getting ready to return to Korea. Contract signed, degree posted to employer to prepare visa. Just recieved an email from the boss saying that the immigration are refusing to process the degree unless it accompanied by an (authenticated) academic transcript. Even though they should have my details already on record...
First time this has happened, and bit of a pain in the whatsit. We are very short of time and I need to get the transcript issued from the uni... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: |
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This will be a good thing in the medium to long run. Less jokers around here.
It is also just as important that they reform the hiring system to avoid letting in these people with fake degrees.
Will simply take some time. |
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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| they do have us on file though. when i applied this year, i had lost the paper from the cnd embassy that says that i am who i am (i used all names for uni, but my passport only has my first and last). anyway, we just told them to check the file and they did. |
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