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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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 Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: Is it time for the US Military to go? |
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With the stuff going on;
1. The Koreans scrapping the security continency plan.
2. Refusing to let the North Korean nuclear issue go to the UNSC.
3. Refusing to allow US troops to conduct security operations off the peninsula in Asia.
4. Refusing to realistically deal with North Korea in general
5. Annoucing Kim Il Sung as a "Freedom fighter"
6. Attempting to scrap the national security law
7. And all around Anti-American sentiment.
Why on earth does the US continue to keep soldiers on the peninsula?
I would like to know what you think. You know, they are here to keep the peace, but do people truly appreciate them?
I honestly would like to see them go to a much friendlier place such as the philippines or indonesia (both are suggested places for redeployment)
But what do you honestly think?
I would especially would like to know from the few soldiers that do haunt this board. Becuase from my own experience, most people try almost anything to get out of this tour. |
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wild sphere
Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:57 am Post subject: |
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i appreciate them, and i want them to stay! they are the best goddam softball and ice hockey players i've ever had on my team, baby! if not for afkn-tv and 102.7 the eagle on your fm dial, we'd all be watching arirang and listening to g.o.d. and h.o.t. crap everytime we go for a drive! 
just what are you trying to do anyway, party-pooper!  |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:57 am Post subject: |
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No, they can't go! I am not ready to leave Korea yet! They have to stay until my husband wants to leave...  But seriously, most of my friends who follow worlds news reckon that the north will attack the south as soon as the US military leaves.  |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| At least wait till 2007. Roh is a total moron, but he can only be in office till 2007. At that time, hopefully a GNP candidate will take over. You cant scrap a 50 year old allience because of one moron in the Blue House. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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It would serve Roh right to have the US give him the finger and pack up and go. I bet the koreans would complain so bitterly. How can you go???? blah blah blah.
That would show him. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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wild sphere gingerly wrote;
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| just what are you trying to do anyway |
Absolutely nothing...
Usually, some people complain about how GIs are this and that. But now with Korea wanting to play see-saw with the geopolitical situation in Asia, I wouldn't be surprised, as one poster already put it, flipped the bird and high tailed it out of Korea.
But I would say let them stay, but the situation is so dangerous that Koreans have one hand out to shake while secretly putting a gun to the back of their heads say "If we go, you're going with us.."
Daechidong Waygookin wrote:
"At least wait till 2007.....hopefully a GNP candidate will take over."
~~I highly doubt that. the GNP is now known as a holder of the old-guard. Mostly hold-outs from the rusty and conservative legacy of Great General Park. I would see another, more moderate URI or MDP candidate win next time...most likely from Chonnam
I guess this is a true example of a catch .22 |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| hhaha.. you think they'd blame Roh? A few of his political enemies would, but it would still be the fault of the USA for leaving. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Is it time for the US Military to go? |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
| 1. The Koreans scrapping the security continency plan. |
Is that the one that specified that ROK Forces would be taking orders from American military leaders? Doesn't sound like much of a plan from SK perspective - sounds like handing over their army to a foreign power, and what nation in the world would agree to that?
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| 2. Refusing to let the North Korean nuclear issue go to the UNSC. |
I don't know the thinking on that precisely, but the last time the UN had a hand in things on this peninsula the whole bloody place nearly went up in smoke. Koreans have a history that makes them want to distrust decisions made by foreigners that pertain to them.
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| 3. Refusing to allow US troops to conduct security operations off the peninsula in Asia. |
Isn't the ostensible purpose of these forces to defend S Korea? Where's the percentage for S Korea to become a staging ground for unilateral American adventurism in the region?
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| 4. Refusing to realistically deal with North Korea in general |
How "realistic" has Washington's strategy been so far? ("Axis of Evil," yeah, that's gonna go a long way to get them to dismantle their banned weapons.
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| 5. Annoucing Kim Il Sung as a "Freedom fighter" |
Rumor has it, he was instrumental in the struggle against Japanese colonialism here. Koreans might think that qualifies as a freedom fighter, and strictly speaking, of course, it does.
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| 6. Attempting to scrap the national security law |
I believe the idea is to amend it, not end it. As it is, the law impinges on the freedoms of speech and expression and association of S Koreans, the same freedoms that are enjoyed by people back in our own home countries. Didn't we fight a war to make this place safe for democracy? Funny how that democracy didn't happen unitl 30 years after the armistice, and funny how the S Koreans had to make it happen all on their own.
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| 7. And all around Anti-American sentiment. |
Sorry. I'm an American and I've been to demonstrations here in Seoul, even one of the ones held just after Kim Sun Il was beheaded, and I saw a lot of hysteria, a lot of people saying things that are just wrong, but the kind of criticism of America I saw was directly pointed at Geo Bush, not at the nation of the USA.
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| Why on earth does the US continue to keep soldiers on the peninsula? |
There is strategic value for us to have them here on the part of the military, and political value on the part of leaders back in the States.
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| I would like to know what you think. You know, they are here to keep the peace, but do people truly appreciate them? |
Do you think the purpose is for us to be appreciated?
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| I honestly would like to see them go to a much friendlier place such as the philippines or indonesia (both are suggested places for redeployment) |
We used to have them in the Phillipines. They asked us to leave, and we did. Folks in Okinawa have had it to here with their children being raped and such, as well. Korea is not unique in being annoyed by the behavior of the US military in its country, the effects those soldiers have on the country, and misgivings about whether US goals coincide with their own.
Um, isn't Indonesia, well, extremely muslim? Not sure that would go over real well ...
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| I would especially would like to know from the few soldiers that do haunt this board. Becuase from my own experience, most people try almost anything to get out of this tour. |
As someone said, it beats being cannon fodder in Iraq at the moment - but for the same reason, a posting here is not much of a resume-builder for the high-flying career military types looking for quick advancement up the ranks.
Most Koreans I've talked to do not want the US to take its troop out of here. Rather, correctly or not, they see what they experience as an unfair and inequitable relationship and they want their country to be treated with more respect by its most important ally. |
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wild sphere
Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
wild sphere gingerly wrote;
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| just what are you trying to do anyway |
Absolutely nothing...
But I would say let them stay, but the situation is so dangerous that Koreans have one hand out to shake while secretly putting a gun to the back of their heads say "If we go, you're going with us.." |
<giggles> brother, our American cousins are a lot more intelligent than what you are implying. stop watching arirang tv and listening to korean pop songs.
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| I guess this is a true example of a catch .22 |
great read. heller is god...and American. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| As long as the two countries are bound together in a mutual defense pact, it makes sense to base some American troops here. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| At least wait till 2007. Roh is a total moron, but he can only be in office till 2007. At that time, hopefully a GNP candidate will take over. You cant scrap a 50 year old allience because of one moron in the Blue House. |
Oh, dear God!
I am agreeing with DW twice in one night!
While I would love to see the U.S. pull out, I will be gone the day that they do. And, it will only take a GNP candidate to do it... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Solid response Bobster.
Well done. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Is it time for the US Military to go? |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
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| 5. Annoucing Kim Il Sung as a "Freedom fighter" |
Rumor has it, he was instrumental in the struggle against Japanese colonialism here. Koreans might think that qualifies as a freedom fighter, and strictly speaking, of course, it does.
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I'm not gonna get into the whole debate here. but you're off the mark on this one. There was a man named Kim Il Sung who opposed the Japanese occupation, but it's not the same guy who led North Korea.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/K/KimI1lS1un.asp
Depending on your source, the famous Kim Il Sung either took on the name to honor the freedom fighter, or lifted the entire story of his namesake's actions for propaganda purposes. That's another debate for another day. |
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Ajarn Miguk
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: TDY As Assigned
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: Problem? |
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Korea is a sovereign nation. As such, it can order the U.S. military to leave whenever it so dictates while assuming total responsibility for its defense and security.
Until it does or until the U.S. decides to withdraw completely, Koreans are going to have foreign troops stationed within their sovereign territory.
Were the U.S. military then to leave one way or the other, expats, including teachers, Americans and others, living and teaching in Korea would still have the option of staying or leaving as they do now.
So what's the problem? |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Problem? |
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| Ajarn Miguk wrote: |
| Korea is a sovereign nation. As such, it can order the U.S. military to leave whenever it so dictates while assuming total responsibility for its defense and security. |
I have said on other forums that I think Korea should ask the American military to leave. I agree with many of the criticisms being made by Korea about US conduct in other countries, but in order to be able to make those criticisms they need to cease the biliteral defense treaties.
Many Koreans have told me that the biggest obstacle to re-unification if the US government. I think they might be right. If so, they need to act on that, and take care of business themselves. |
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