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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: globish english, anyone? |
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so has anyone else heard about globish english? it's basically konglish, but they actually teach it in some places now. i'm not sure how i feel about it. it's english for foreigners, but not for people who speak english. weird, eh?
read about it here: http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/21/features/Blume22.php |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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French Page
http://www.jpn-globish.com/index.php?lng=fr
English Page
http://www.jpn-globish.com/index.php?lng=en
Sample Article (note: the *beep* is the f-word: f u c k)
"F u c k", un mot a ne pas employer, mais a connaitre et reconnaitre
Le mot <f u c k> n'appartient pas au vocabulaire du globish: vous eviterez donc pieusement de l'utiliser dans votre propre communication.
F u c k etait bien comme vous le dites grave sur un ecriteau cloue sur les portes, mais seulement les portes des jeunes maries pour qui la regle de la "prima nocte" ne s'appliquait pas. F U C K signifierait alors "Fornication Under Consent of King".
Ce mot a de plus l'originalite d'une enigmatique richesse en angloricain. Nous pouvons le trouver comme :
- Verbe -- Dave f u c k e d his girl friend.
- Adverbe -- Dave is fucking interested in his girl friend.
- Substantif -- Dave does not give a *beep* about anybody but his girl friend.
- Interjection -- *beep*! Dave loves his girl friend.
- Adjectif -- Dave has got such a fucking girl friend.
Don't Speak English, Parlez GLOBISH"
http://www.jpn-globish.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=95
For English-speaking readers: globish explained in American, AND in globish.
http://www.jpn-globish.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=120 |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I see a lot more of these schemes being given life in the near future. There have been a lot of universal language schemes lying dormant for quite some time as most of them were invented somewhere around the early 1900s up to 1951 or so. Right now Esperanto, Ido and Interlingua have the most speakers.
As for Globish, it doesn't seem to be much more than a pidgin from what I can see. It attempts to set itself apart from other universal language schemes but I don't see anything differenct except the fact that it's based on English as opposed to a wide variety of languages like most other IAEs (International Auxiliary Languages).
Here's what an IAE needs to become a self-sustaining force:
-at least two to five fluent, full-time translators. This is in addition to part-time people like Wikipedisti, web site / club owners and so on. There should be a news site, links to weather, stock reports, things that people keep track of every day. There should also be radio broadcasts at least once a week or people will feel lonely. There should be a number of journals to read, monthly or bi-monthly journals that a person can read in an hour or two or three.
-a two-way dictionary in the world's twenty or so top languages. It only takes about a week or two to make a workable lexicon of a thousand or two words, a few more months of hard work to make an actual dictionary. Ideally they should be all online and free.
-gatherings where people can actually meet up and use the language.
-a Wikipedia with at least a few thousand articles.
That's in addition to all the features of the language itself that should make it appealing. Esperanto has the largest number of speakers but there are a few points that make it less than desirable.
I don't see Globish succeeding for the reason that it will come across as "English for stupid people". "If you can't hack English, learn Globish and people will probably understand you" doesn't sell the idea all that well. At least with other constructed languages they have the benefit of being separate from other languages; if you learn one of those you can claim to be bilingual but with Globish you couldn't.
English used to be 85% of the internet and now it's at 32.8%. In China there are 800 000 new internet users *every week* and I see the two of them being roughly equivalent by sometime around or after the Beijing Olympics. Chinese has 113,414,713 users on the internet and is at 12.8% right now. After all this time working on learning English I see a lot of nations getting tired of L2 education. "Chinese too?!" That's why we'll see a lot more of these schemes. In reality though, I think that people will pay them little attention and just add Chinese to the mix and tough it out. And this is coming from a proponent of one of these IALs. |
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Real Reality
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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RR, from your source:
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On Jul 20, 2004, China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC) published the "14th Statistical Survey Report on the Internet Development in China" in Beijing. According to the report, many macro data kept rapid increase. By Jun. 30, 2004, the total number of Internet users in China has reached 87.0 million, which increases by 27.9% over a 12 month period. In the mean time, the number of computer hosts in China has raised to 36.30 million. The bandwidth of international connection has reached 53.9 G, which is an increase by 190.3% over the same time of last year. Also, there have been 382216 CN domain names. In this report, surveys on the issues like the online chatting services and the online recruitment services have been conducted for the first time.
All the main figures have clearly shown that Internet has pervaded into each corner of our lives. Moreover, Internet has become one of the most influential, rapid-developing and promising industries in China.
As indicated by the report, there have been 13% more Internet users to use Internet banking to make payments than those who make payments on delivery. As many as 37.9% of the Internet users chose to pay for the purchases online either by credit card or debit card. Additionally, more and more users are looking for e-banking systems. It is estimated that the number of the Internet users who do online shopping will increase by 190.3% in the coming year.
By June 30, 2004, the number of WWW sites has reached 6.27 million, increasing by 32.2% over a 12 month period. Geographically, most WWW sites (84%) are located in Northern, Eastern and Southern China. The site number has increased in North east, South west and North west of China. All of these have indicated that the Internet development situation is not equal among different regions of China although the trend of the overall Internet development in China is still growing up.
For the services provided by the Internet such as search engine, online education, online banking, online auction, Internet Ads, online news, online VOD services, charged email services, SMS, online recruitment, online information and online gaming, more and more users are giving credits to them. In the mean time, the number of broadband users has reached 31.10 million, an increase of 13.70 million over the past 12 months (an increase by 78.7% over a 6 month period). All these figures indicate a prospective Internet market in China.
The English version of the "14th Statistical Survey Report on the Internet Development in China" can be downloaded from: http://www.cnnic.cn/en/index/0O/02/index.htm |
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Sooke
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Location: korea
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| sounds doubleplusgood. |
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Real Reality
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