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The KYOPO experience.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:13 am    Post subject: The KYOPO experience. Reply with quote

I'm just another white guy, so I don't know the experience of overseas Koreans coming back to Korea to teach, or whatever they do. But I'm curious about it. I have been lately hanging out with an American whose parents are Korean, so he looks totally Korean but speaks and thinks American, though his Korean ability is good too. He seems a bit bitter about the razz. He gets looked at just as much when he speaks that American English. Most Koreans do not seem to grasp why a Korean face speaks American! So I wonder how it is for kyopos here. It seems like a whole breed of experience few would understand.
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cheem



Joined: 18 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for other gyopos but my experience has been mostly cool. I've never enjoyed stares or overt attention so it's nice to be able to cloak and de-cloak at will here. Koreans tend to think of gyopos as "Koreans" so there's some comfort in knowing that I can infiltrate and assimilate into this closed society if I choose to do so. With regards to Korean women, it appears to me there is a sizeable demographic who want to escape the iron-fisted tyranny of the Korean Man, or just want to try something different, but aren't ready to make the enormous cultural leap to dating white dudes. Gyopos, it would appear, are the perfect means to sample the exotic delights of the West while raising minimum fuss amongst their family and peers. As staggeringly handsome as I am, I'm man enough to admit that I've been able to move up from the Canadian yeti territory to the Korean harpy territory on a consistent basis. I also have the rare privilege of receiving compliments on my Korean AND my native English -- which I suppose is more of an insult than a compliment, but I tend to take these comments in the spirit they were given.

With all that heady luscious university-aged goodness, there are also drawbacks. Koreans tend to have higher expectations of gyopos, especially in respect to speaking the language and following the customs. Back when I was teaching, I got shafted out of a few leads for being gyopo which sucked -- I much prefer discrimination of the visible-minority variety. Finally, there is a small group of people who just don't like gyopos for whatever reason. This is more a minor annoyance than a drawback, like, "Yes okay, you hate me, c'mon, get on with it... ". I'm not the first, nor the last, person to get labeled that easily so I can't complain.
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Koreabound2004



Joined: 19 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know where the term kyopo/gyopo came from? I know what it means, but I wonder about its' origins.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Korea wiki:

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A gyopo is a term for a Korean born abroad, which comes from the word 'haewae gyopo' (�ؿܱ��� ��������), which means a person of the same genetic stock living abroad.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One interesting thing to note is that Gyopos in China aren't called Gyopos. They're Hwagyos. (ȭ�� - ����) Same thing except the 'hwa' means flower, or China.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe "hwagyo" are ethnic Chinese living in Korea.

Ethnic Koreans living in China are usually called "Joseonjok".
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: The KYOPO experience. Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Most Koreans do not seem to grasp why a Korean face speaks American! So I wonder how it is for kyopos here. It seems like a whole breed of experience few would understand.


I am not a kyopo. I am Chinese. So for the most part, I look just like every other Korean. I was, however, raised in England since childhood and I speak very little Korean. People often look at me weird because they thought I was Korean but spoke English with my husband. They would ask a gazillion questions. They couldn't understand (which is what you said) how a Korean-lookalike person would speak English and not Korean. They also couldn't understand why my home is in England and not China (folks were from Hong Kong, anyhow).. uh... Emmigration, duh! Sometimes I just don't explain and pretend that I speak no Korean. Sometimes if I am in a good mood I explain in my broken Korean.

I agree with Cheem though. In England, although people are pretty used to seeing an Asian face, they still sometimes look or think that you are a rare specie. I had people in England coming up to me and asking me if I was born in England because my English was native... Rolling Eyes Oh well. Sorry, the point is that here I just look like everyone else, people don't give me a second look until I open my mouth... lol.. so I can kinda roam about, doing whatever it is that I want to do without being bothered.

Mith, btw... �� is flower... Wink
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogbert's right.

Quote:
���� ����
���� ���� �ӽ÷� �پ ��, ���.
��� ����
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But �� is also flower.

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[����] ����, �� ȭ
[�μ�] (�ʵι�)
[���̵�] ����
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
I believe "hwagyo" are ethnic Chinese living in Korea.

Ethnic Koreans living in China are usually called "Joseonjok".


No. Hwagyo is anyone who is Chinese but not living in China.. like me...
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
But �� is also flower.

��
[����] ����, �� ȭ
[�μ�] (�ʵι�)
[���̵�] ����


You win! Embarassed My sister just told me it's old Chinese...
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thorin



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most gyopo cry themselves to sleep for a year and then go back to Koreatown and talk about how great it was here.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
dogbert wrote:
I believe "hwagyo" are ethnic Chinese living in Korea.

Ethnic Koreans living in China are usually called "Joseonjok".


No. Hwagyo is anyone who is Chinese but not living in China.. like me...


That's true; I was just defining it solely in terms of a Korean perspective.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
tzechuk wrote:
dogbert wrote:
I believe "hwagyo" are ethnic Chinese living in Korea.

Ethnic Koreans living in China are usually called "Joseonjok".


No. Hwagyo is anyone who is Chinese but not living in China.. like me...


That's true; I was just defining it solely in terms of a Korean perspective.


Ok. Razz
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Dogbert's right.

Quote:
���� ����
���� ���� �ӽ÷� �پ ��, ���.
��� ����
���(����) ���� �ϴ�.
���� ����
�ܱ��� �����ϰ� �ִ� �ڱ� ���� ����.
���� ����
�ܱ��� ��� �ִ� ����. ���� ��. ��� ��.
������ ��ȭ��
������(�����) �� ������ �ϴ� ���� ������ �� ��.
���� �ѱ�
�ؿܿ� ��� �ִ� ���ѱ� ������.
���� ȭ��
�ܱ��� ���� ��� �߱� ���.


But �� is also flower.

��
[����] ����, �� ȭ
[�μ�] (�ʵι�)
[���̵�] ����


Another thing. This flower character is a 'male' character. The female character for flower is ��, something to keep in mind when Koreans tell the tale of the so called Hwarang Warriors (����).
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a variety of experiences, but for the most part, Los Angeles gyopos visit Korea but wouldn't want to settle down here (a plus for Korea). On the other hand, gyopos from other regions in the US like Korea a lot more, mainly because it's more fun and easier to meet people in Seoul than in say, Hoboken.

Another plus for gyopos is that many who are talented come to Korea to study or work for a few years.

Gyopos from Brazil also visit Korea, but find life in Brazil better though a lot more dangerous.
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