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On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:19 am Post subject:

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but how did terrorists all of a sudden become anti corruption crusaders?

The two categories are not mutually exclusive.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

liberal terrorists?

One of the great things about being a liberal is terrorists are not among our ranks - the right wing cannot make that claim.

I ran across this a few weeks ago. Jon Carroll used to write for the SF Chronicle, and you can find the complete version of this at SFGate ... it's what a terrorist cell of liberals would probably look like.

We are Unitarian Jihad. We are everywhere. We have not been born again, nor have we sworn a blood oath. We do not think that God cares what we read, what we eat or whom we sleep with. Brother Neutron Bomb of Serenity notes for the record that he does not have a moral code but is nevertheless a good person, and Unexalted Leader Garrote of Forgiveness stipulates that Brother Neutron Bomb of Serenity is a good person, and this is to be reflected in the minutes.

Beware! Unless you people shut up and begin acting like grown-ups with brains enough to understand the difference between political belief and personal faith, the Unitarian Jihad will begin a series of terrorist-like actions. We will take over television studios, kidnap so-called commentators and broadcast calm, well-reasoned discussions of the issues of the day. We will not try for "balance" by hiring fruitcakes; we will try for balance by hiring non-ideologues who have carefully thought through the issues.

We are Unitarian Jihad. We will appear in public places and require people to shake hands with each other. (Sister Hand Grenade of Love suggested that we institute a terror regime of mandatory hugging, but her motion was not formally introduced because of lack of a quorum.) We will require all lobbyists, spokesmen and campaign managers to dress like trout in public. Televangelists will be forced to take jobs as Xerox repair specialists. Demagogues of all stripes will be required to read Proust out loud in prisons.

We are Unitarian Jihad, and our motto is: "Sincerity is not enough." We have heard from enough sincere people to last a lifetime already. Just because you believe it's true doesn't make it true. Just because your motives are pure doesn't mean you are not doing harm. Get a dog, or comfort someone in a nursing home, or just feed the birds in the park. Play basketball. Lighten up. The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.

Another great thing about being a liberal is that we have a sense of humor that includes ourselves.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:00 am Post subject:

dogbert wrote:

shakuhachi wrote:

We have an apologist for terrorism, bucheon bum, and an apologist for Israeli state oppression, sundubuman. What motivates you two is completely beyond my comprehension.

You are absolutely right.

Both sides think that you have to be for one and against the other. They do not realize that the Christian, Western, civilized world can rightly detest both.

I don't think you're right about Bucheon Bum though. From what I've seen he's as centrist as you. The only thing about him is that he knows a lot of Arabs and knows Arabic, so he doesn't see the Middle East in as simple terms as most of the people here.

To test that you could ask just about anybody the main difference between Oman and Yemen. What is it? How does the government there differ? You might know (since you're Dogbert), but 99 out of 100 probably have no idea.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

dogbert wrote:

shakuhachi wrote:

We have an apologist for terrorism, bucheon bum, and an apologist for Israeli state oppression, sundubuman. What motivates you two is completely beyond my comprehension.

You are absolutely right.

Both sides think that you have to be for one and against the other. They do not realize that the Christian, Western, civilized world can rightly detest both.

Agreed. Just because BBum has the sense to see that terrorism is more complex than 'religious nutters blowing themselves up out of spite because they hate democracy and Christians' doesn't necessarity mean he supports it.

And it is my experience, doggie boy, that it is the rightwingers who see things in such simplistic terms us "you're either with us or against us" and say such stupid crap as "Oh you don't think Palestinians are being treated fairly - you MUST support Hamas then!. From my experience 'lefty treehuggers' are dismayed by terrorism even though they have a better understanding the underlying causes of it.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 9:48 am Post subject:

shakuhachi wrote:

We have an apologist for terrorism, bucheon bum, and an apologist for Israeli state oppression, sundubuman. What motivates you two is completely beyond my comprehension.

Since when did explanation=apology?

I'm not saying what they did was right.

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OK, got it. But let's not let's not pretend these are 'just some nutty Egyptians'. What, they just broke out of the insane asylum?

You're right. That's fair enough. Poorly phrased on my part. The good news is many Egyptians will view them in this light. Good simply because if they considered these terrorists normal, Egyptians and the West would be in for big time change- and not for the better.

Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

And what is the main difference between Mississippi and Alabama?

Aha! I thought so! You don' know nuthin' 'bout segregation, boy!

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject:

Yes, that's right. Have I posted on segregation before? Of course not.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

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but how did terrorists all of a sudden become anti corruption crusaders?

The two categories are not mutually exclusive.

Still notice the change in focus they started as bad guys and then they became the good guys.

I somehow get the feeling that some facts were overlooked on the way to rehabilitating these "good gals"

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

dogbert wrote:

shakuhachi wrote:

We have an apologist for terrorism, bucheon bum, and an apologist for Israeli state oppression, sundubuman. What motivates you two is completely beyond my comprehension.

You are absolutely right.

Both sides think that you have to be for one and against the other. They do not realize that the Christian, Western, civilized world can rightly detest both.

Yeah, you're right...BB is an all-around fair guy and very bright too.

I'm just sick of the idea that as Americans, we seem to have to favor one side or the other. I mean, why can't we detest them both equally? We really don't have a dog in that fight.

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:

Big_Bird wrote:

And it is my experience, doggie boy, that it is the rightwingers who see things in such simplistic terms us "you're either with us or against us" and say such stupid crap as "Oh you don't think Palestinians are being treated fairly - you MUST support Hamas then!. From my experience 'lefty treehuggers' are dismayed by terrorism even though they have a better understanding the underlying causes of it.

Actually, it is a right-winger, Pat Buchanan, who has been preaching loudest and longest the fact that the U.S. has done much to create Middle East terrorism, which is now biting us on the ass.

You, since you actually are a "lefty treehugger", just prefer the conceit that you have better understanding, blah blah blah....stick to the kitty and puppy pictures -- that's where your true gift lies.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject:

Bin Laden accuses the US of helping China oppress muslims. I don't know what he means by that. The only think I think of is that the US trades w/ China. It would be impossible to make them or those who support them happy. The reason that Al Qadia fights is because they want the US out of the mid east so they can conquer it, though Al Qaida has an agenda outside the mid east. By the way I prefer the South Korean government to the North Korean government. I prefer the Taiwanese government to the Chinese government. I prefer the Columbians to those in in Venezuela who support Chavez I root for the Kurds of Iraq over anyone else in Iraq. I prefer the Tutsi side to the Hutu side because of what happened in 1994. In those cases and in others too both sides are not equal.

shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject:

bucheon bum wrote:

Since when did explanation=apology?

I'm not saying what they did was right.

a��pol��o��gist
n.
A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject:

shakuhachi wrote:

bucheon bum wrote:

Since when did explanation=apology?

I'm not saying what they did was right.

a��pol��o��gist
n.
A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

Perhaps I'm just not as perceptive as your good self, but I didn't see Buncheon Bum trying to defend or justify the actions of the 'nutty Egyptians.' He appeared, merely, to be offering up an explanation of why they did it.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject:

dogbert wrote:

Big_Bird wrote:

Women are generally shorter than men. But now and again you see a really tall one passing by. See what I'm getting at? Unfortunately, most people who confuse explaining terrorism with advocating terrorism are rightwingers, like it or not.

Also, while I'm not an avid follower of your domestic politics, I'm willing to bet that while Buchanan is able to see that the US has had a hand in creating the current terrorism trend, he is not advocating it. Well there are many on the left with the same position. You've just not been taking enough notice.

And here is another lovely kitty picture, chosen with you especially in mind....

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject:

Point taken.

Big_Bird wrote:

Unfortunately, most people who confuse explaining terrorism with advocating terrorism are rightwingers, like it or not.

I wonder if they honestly confuse it, or they purposely try to mislead people by conflating the two. I'm not sure which would be worse.

Thanks be to Mozilla, I did not see your photo, but I'm sure it's a beaut.

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