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dmbfan
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 Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: http://www.howobamagotelected.com/ |
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I find these polls quite interesting.
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Zogby Poll
512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points
97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates
Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions
57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
71.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).
And yet.....
Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.
Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we "gave" one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey) |
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The 12 "Zogby" questions were duplicated, one on the Keating scandal was added for extra balance. The results from Obama voters were virtually IDENTICAL in both polls.
Here are the highlights:
35 % of McCain voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.
18% of Obama voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.
McCain voters knew which party controls congress by a 63-27 margin.
Obama voters got the �congressional control� question wrong by 43-41.
Those that got "congressional control" correct voted 56-43 for McCain.
Those that got "congressional control" wrong voted 65-35 for Obama.
The poll also asked voters to name all the media sources from which they got information.
Those �exposed� to Fox News got "congressional control" correct 64-25 (+39)
Those �exposed� to CNN got �congressional control� correct 48-38 (+10)
Those �exposed� to Network news got �congressional control� correct 48-39 (+9)
Those �exposed� to print media got �congressional control� correct 52-37 (+15)
Those �exposed� to MSNBC got �congressional control� correct 55-35 (+20)
Those �exposed� to talk radio got �congressional control� correct 61-29 (+32)
Voters in the "South" had the best response rate on �congressional control� (+22)
Voters in the "Northeast" had the worst response rate on �congressional control� (+9)
Those �exposed� to Fox News voted 70-29 for McCain.
Those �exposed� to CNN voted 63-37 for Obama.
Those �exposed� to MSNBC voted 73-26 for Obama.
Those �exposed� to network newscasts voted 62-37 for Obama.
Those �exposed� to national newspapers voted 64-36 for Obama.
Those �exposed� to talk radio voted 61-38 for McCain.
Those that could associate Bill Ayers' name/story with Obama voted 52-48 for McCain (We added Ayers name to the "Zogby" question and it significantly increased the rate of correct response, indicating a very superficial grasp of the overall story).
Those that knew Obama had made negative comments about �coal power plants" voted 76-24 for McCain.
Those that knew Obama had his opponents knocked off the ballot in his first campaign voted 66-34 for McCain.
McCain voters did poorly (only 42% correct) on the Keating question and,in general, the voters did universally worse on questions where the negative information was about their candidate
Women under 55 did worse than they might have by guessing on four of the thirteen questions, and yet 95% of them knew that Palin was the candidate with a pregnant teenage daughter. Even 95% of those in this demographic group who didn't know �congressional control� got this question correct.
Those �exposed� to MSNBC �scored� 90% correct on the three Palin questions (including an incredible 98% on the �pregnant teenage daughter� question), while those not �exposed� to MSNBC averaged 84% correct on those three questions. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Released: November 18, 2008
Zogby Poll: Almost No Obama Voters Ace Election Test
Survey finds most Obama voters remembered negative coverage of McCain/Palin statements but struggled to correctly answer questions about coverage associated with Obama/Biden
UTICA, New York -- Just 2% of voters who supported Barack Obama on Election Day obtained perfect or near-perfect scores on a post election test which gauged their knowledge of statements and scandals associated with the presidential tickets during the campaign, a new Zogby International telephone poll shows.
Zogby Statement on Ziegler poll
Only 54% of Obama voters were able to answer at least half or more of the questions correctly.
The 12-question, multiple-choice survey found questions regarding statements linked to Republican presidential candidate John McCain and his vice-presidential running-mate Sarah Palin were far more likely to be answered correctly by Obama voters than questions about statements associated with Obama and Vice-President�Elect Joe Biden. The telephone survey of 512 Obama voters nationwide was conducted Nov. 13-15, 2008, and carries a margin of error of +/- 4.4 percentage points. The survey was commissioned by John Ziegler, author of The Death of Free Speech, producer of the recently released film "Blocking the Path to 9/11" and producer of the upcoming documentary film, Media Malpractice...How Obama Got Elected.
"We stand by the results our survey work on behalf of John Ziegler, as we stand by all of our work. We reject the notion that this was a push poll because it very simply wasn't. It was a legitimate effort to test the knowledge of voters who cast ballots for Barack Obama in the Nov. 4 election. Push polls are a malicious effort to sway public opinion one way or the other, while message and knowledge testing is quite another effort of public opinion research that is legitimate inquiry and has value in the public square. In this case, the respondents were given a full range of responses and were not pressured or influenced to respond in one way or another. This poll was not designed to hurt anyone, which is obvious as it was conducted after the election. The client is free to draw his own conclusions about the research, as are bloggers and other members of society. But Zogby International is a neutral party in this matter. We were hired to test public opinion on a particular subject and with no ax to grind, that's exactly what we did. We don't have to agree or disagree with the questions, we simply ask them and provide the client with a fair and accurate set of data reflecting public opinion." - John Zogby
"After I interviewed Obama voters on Election Day for my documentary, I had a pretty low opinion of what most of them had picked up from the media coverage of the campaign, but this poll really proves beyond any doubt the stunning level of malpractice on the part of the media in not educating the Obama portion of the voting populace," said Ziegler.
Ninety-four percent of Obama voters correctly identified Palin as the candidate with a pregnant teenage daughter, 86% correctly identified Palin as the candidate associated with a $150,000 wardrobe purchased by her political party, and 81% chose McCain as the candidate who was unable to identify the number of houses he owned. When asked which candidate said they could "see Russia from their house," 87% chose Palin, although the quote actually is attributed to Saturday Night Live's Tina Fey during her portrayal of Palin during the campaign. An answer of "none" or "Palin" was counted as a correct answer on the test, given that the statement was associated with a characterization of Palin.
Obama voters did not fare nearly as well overall when asked to answer questions about statements or stories associated with Obama or Biden -- 83% failed to correctly answer that Obama had won his first election by getting all of his opponents removed from the ballot, and 88% did not correctly associate Obama with his statement that his energy policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry. Most (56%) were also not able to correctly answer that Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground.
Nearly three quarters (72%) of Obama voters did not correctly identify Biden as the candidate who had to quit a previous campaign for President because he was found to have plagiarized a speech, and nearly half (47%) did not know that Biden was the one who predicted Obama would be tested by a generated international crisis during his first six months as President.
In addition to questions regarding statements and scandals associated with the campaigns, the 12-question, multiple-choice survey also included a question asking which political party controlled both houses of Congress leading up to the election -- 57% of Obama voters were unable to correctly answer that Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.
For content, contact: John Ziegler at [email protected].
For more information on Ziegler's upcoming documentary film, Media Malpractice...How Obama Got Elected, please visit www.HowObamaGotElected.com, where there is a video of Obama voters on election day being asked many of the same questions.
For methodology, contact: Fritz Wenzel, 315-624-0200 ext. 229 or 419-205-0287 or [email protected].
To view the survey results, please visit http://www.zogby.com/news/wf-dfs.pdf.
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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An ignorant electorate? How shocking!!! 
Christ, how do you think Bush got re-elected? |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Christ, how do you think Bush got re-elected? |
Well, for one.......the Democrats could not find anyone better then Kerry.
Two.....people knew where Bush stood, right or wrong.
Three......Congress was not controlled by the Democrats at the time, so he could actually get some things done.
But, lets stick to the topic, here.
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Christ, how do you think Bush got re-elected? |
Well, for one.......the Democrats could not find anyone better then Kerry.
Two.....people knew where Bush stood, right or wrong.
Three......Congress was not controlled by the Democrats at the time, so he could actually get some things done.
But, lets stick to the topic, here.
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Point is the electorate is very uneducated in general. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I find these polls quite misleading- such as and related to the pollster, Zigler. But don't take my word for it. Instead, let's take the word of someone who actually understand polling, Nate Silver, who actually debunked this poll.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/final-words-for-now-on-zieglergate.html
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The Final Words (For Now) on Zieglergate
Mine...
The only reason that Mr. Ziegler's original survey got stupid answers from Obama's supporters is because he asked stupid questions.
And Carl Bialik's at the Wall Street Journal....
...actually I'm not going to pull a quote from Carl's piece because you should read the whole thing, as it represents by far the fairest and most comprehensive summary of the issue to date. |
Silver wrote extensively on the Ziegler push poll at his website Fivethirtyeight.com
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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I find these polls quite misleading- such as and related to the pollster, Zigler. But don't take my word for it. Instead, let's take the word of someone who actually understand polling, Nate Silver, who actually debunked this poll.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/final-words-for-now-on-zieglergate.html
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The Final Words (For Now) on Zieglergate
Mine...
The only reason that Mr. Ziegler's original survey got stupid answers from Obama's supporters is because he asked stupid questions.
And Carl Bialik's at the Wall Street Journal....
...actually I'm not going to pull a quote from Carl's piece because you should read the whole thing, as it represents by far the fairest and most comprehensive summary of the issue to date. |
Silver wrote extensively on the Ziegler push poll at his website Fivethirtyeight.com
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html |
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kotakji
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I would have liked to hear more on the results of the Keating Five issue rather then the Palin scandals. Lets be honest, the majority of people are far more mesmerized by national enquirer type scandals then more substantive and meaningful issues related to corruption and integrity. Keating Five? Plagiarized speeches? Bah that's just politicians being politicians. Those type of issues also usually require some level of critical thinking from the reader. In contrast- Brad and Angelina have ANOTHER baby?! Now there's news that requires no digestion. As such I'm not at all surprised that the electorate better remembers the Palin gaffs, the 51st state and 7 houses misspeaks then more complicated (and less slapstickishly funny) scandals. Its also not surprising that the electorate knows more dirt about 'the other side' if simply because they are more likely to click on a link deriding an enemy and dismiss a headline deriding their candidate.
That aside, I am surprised that the GOP didn't get better mileage outta the Ayers issue. Personally, it didn't bother me, but I would have expected that the 'terrorist' accusation would have at least registered with most people.
Edit: I must admit that I don't remember any scandalous comments about coal mining and I would consider myself a reasonably well informed individual. Did those comments enter into any of the debates we had on this board? (not to say that this board is the end all of current events hehe) |
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catman
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The Palin interviews definitely helped the Obama campaign. |
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