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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject: Magical foreigner power |
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Not wanted... conversations among Koreans shift into mentions of English, or they try their lousy English merely because you are near...
god what a bunch of insecure/immature people. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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You've probably heard that the people in Hell can't bend their arms to feed themselves. So they sit at the dinner table and starve.
The people in Heaven can't bend their arms either, so they feed each other across the table.
As I see it, the English students in South Korea are like the people in Hell.
They are surrounded by millions of other English students, but they won't practice English with each other. |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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How long have you been in Korea? Are you sure you graduated uni? Well, they're surround by million of English students so I guess they don't need you. Better just pack your bags fruit cuz, from your attitude, it's pretty obvious you're not much of a teacher anyways. The first thing I was taught was how weak and inane generalizations are.
Here are mine:
-Why are foreign English teachers so stupid? What kind of idiotic people live in a country for at least a year, some more, but can't learn the language. It's not that it's very difficult, it's that ALL foreign English teachers are obviously idiots. They are surrounded by MILLIONS OF KOREAN SPEAKERS but are just too dumb.
-Why do these idiotic foreignors try speaking their terrible broken Korean with Koreans instead of only KEEPING TO THEIR OWN KIND where they belong!!!? |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, You are wrong. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect he chose that id just to let the 'clever' people who would take cheap shots at the name take them, and let the remaining people actually discuss the subject. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Magical foreigner power |
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| jajdude wrote: |
Not wanted... conversations among Koreans shift into mentions of English, or they try their lousy English merely because you are near...
god what a bunch of insecure/immature people. |
I guess you've never really learned a second (third, fourth, fifth...) language. Try it sometime. You may find you're behaving just like the (immature, insecure) Commanders Of The Evil Empire you've described here. |
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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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how do we know that jajdude doesn't speak many languages?
and why don't our students practise with each other once and awhile. it's totally retarded. for example i speak french and korean (ok the korean is really broken) with my waygook friends sometimes. we also send korean txt msgs. it's fun and frankly, we are getting better at it. |
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inthewild
Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Korea
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Who among us would practice speaking Spanish or French or whatever we were studying in high school back home with our friends? I'm guessing not many of us, it wasn't "cool". And more importantly, it was harder to correct each other's mistakes.
Yeah, we might try Korean out now but... we're older and wiser now right? 
We all do it, but generalizations are the lose. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I Am Wrong, thank you for your response.
I am not sure what your position is, so I need to ask you a few questions before I continue corresponding with you:
�� Do you disagree that Korean English students could profit by practicing English with each other?
�� If an English teacher is unwilling to speak English during his free time, does that prove that he is not dedicated enough to his job during his work time?
�� Do you think that the epithet "stupid" applies to me? If so, why?
�� Do you think that further education would reverse my attitude toward Koreans speaking to me in English? If so, how could further education do that?
�� Why did you mention the unwillingness of most Korean teachers to learn Korean? Do you think that applies to me?
�� Is sticking with Koreans who speak English any different from sticking with other foreigners? What's the difference?
�� What's your point? Is it that as long as I speak Korean to Koreans, I should tolerate Koreans speaking English to me?
Oh, to answer your questions:
�� I have been in Korea for 5 years.
�� No, I am not absolutely sure that I have graduated from the university, because I am a nihilist and I am never absolutely sure of anything.
�� I don't know why foreigners live in Korean and not learn the language. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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When I was in high school my friends and I did speak in French about certain things- we knew our parents wouldn't know we were talking about getting drunk or whatever, but they would be pleased because they thought we were studying. 
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
How long have you been in Korea? Are you sure you graduated uni? Well, they're surround by million of English students so I guess they don't need you. Better just pack your bags fruit cuz, from your attitude, it's pretty obvious you're not much of a teacher anyways. The first thing I was taught was how weak and inane generalizations are.
Here are mine:
-Why are foreign English teachers so stupid? What kind of idiotic people live in a country for at least a year, some more, but can't learn the language. It's not that it's very difficult, it's that ALL foreign English teachers are obviously idiots. They are surrounded by MILLIONS OF KOREAN SPEAKERS but are just too dumb.
-Why do these idiotic foreignors try speaking their terrible broken Korean with Koreans instead of only KEEPING TO THEIR OWN KIND where they belong!!!? |
I am wrong, you are right....lol
Its really hard to learn a new language and if they want to practise or show of their semi-knowledge of our language then what the h*ll is wrong with that, they arent hurting anyone, when i went to Italy i was always trying out my sh*tty italian to anyone that looked italian. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| for example i speak french and korean (ok the korean is really broken) with my waygook friends sometimes. we also send korean txt msgs. it's fun and frankly, we are getting better at it. |
How do you know Korean students don't do the same thing?
Just because it does not happen in front of you it does not mean it does not exist.... 
Am_I_wong, that was hilarious...well done man.
As for the OP, well off the mark and perhaps had a bit too much to drink before posting (again...).
It is always amazing how people make assumptions based on the flimsliest of information. They don't see it therefore it does not happen/exist.
They see a couple of people do something therefore everyone is doing that.
Priceless.
I was raised in a completely billingual house (my mother is French and my dad English). I went to regular English speaking school in Ontario. We had French class. Did my fellow students (most of them being English) sit at the coffee shop and practice French? You gotta be kidding.
Does that mean that no one in Ontario did so? Nope. See the point?
Finally, when you speak about Korean students you must realize there are two groups. Adults and Kids. These two groups have very different dynamics.
Kids will not practice English amongs themselves because they are kids and they have other things to do.
Adults will do so more often because some of them use the language in their work environment. Others need to imporve to improve their job prospects.
You must also take into account the immersion factor or the access to the language.
A Korean student learning English here is not surrounded by English. He studies English in school and then enters a Korean world.
A Korean student studying English in Canada is in a different situation. He is immersed in English and therefore in a more fertile learning environment.
When you look at that way, it puts a different light on things. I find that many Koreans have surprisingly good English considering the linguistic environment they live in.
The reverse is interesting as well. I speak Korean (fluently after a few years here). If I had studied the language back home, there is no way I could have reached the same level of fluency in the same amount of time. I would have had very few people to practice with and would have lived in an English or French environment. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: yes |
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A Korean student learning English here is not surrounded by English. He studies English in school and then enters a Korean world.
A Korean student studying English in Canada is in a different situation. He is immersed in English and therefore in a more fertile learning environment. |
Well, there is a lot of English here, especially in Seoul. Billboards, announcements, advertisements, etc. Books, movies, newspapers in English. It's very possible. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.
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I think there was a misunderstanding of the OP. The OP was NOT saying Koreans spoke to him in English. The OP said that Koreans tried to say something to EACH OTHER in English just because there was a foreigner somewhat nearby. I think we've all observed this behaviour. Except I've never been sure if it is entirely directed at us... maybe it's that we REMIND them that they SHOULD practice their English on each other. I prefer to think that way... it's more positive.
p.s. I am Wrong-- if I remember correctly Tomato speaks good Korean! |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Well, there is a lot of English here, especially in Seoul. Billboards, announcements, advertisements, etc. Books, movies, newspapers in English. It's very possible. |
That is not the same as language immersion at all. But it does help. |
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