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crazylemongirl
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 Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: If competency in korean was compulsory for an E2.....? |
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| How many waygookin english teachers would there be left in the country? |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Not many....
Thats why it isn't but deep down i would love it to be 
More money for me...... |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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What would competency equate to? Fluency? I can ramble in a drunken stupor with taxi drivers, talk to students, and order anything under the sun, but I still can't get through the hospital visit to save my life.
I'm assuming some sort of test would be designed. |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| If they design it like they do the English tests, with all writing and obscure vocabulary and no speaking, then I think almost all foreigners would flunk. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JacktheCat wrote: |
| If they design it like they do the English tests, with all writing and obscure vocabulary and no speaking, then I think almost all foreigners would flunk. |
I demand basic Korean proficiency tests be administered to everyone even thinking of coming to Korea, from tourists on up. (Transit passengers who never leave Incheon Int'l would obviously be exempted from this requirement.) This regulation would address the No. 1 complaint that foreigners -- visitors and residents -- have about the country, and would relieve a great deal of unwanted stress and aggravation for the local population.
ESL teachers, however, would be the sole exception. In order to encourage them to focus on their visa-stipulated duties, they would be systematically and rigourously discouraged, using whatever means deemed most effective and expedient, from ever using the Korean language (spoken or written) by a pan-national syndicate composed of French-style language police, along with neighbourhood watch-groups and student militias. They would be permitted to say the Korean words kimchee, bibimbap, and won (as in "10,000 won note") but not to write them.
If they encounter Koreans who were unable to understand their English, they must try to use simpler words or speak more slowly. If that does not work, they may use "sign language" (not actual "signing" as in "for the deaf and mute", but as in "wild gesticulations of the hands and arms"), as well as a wide range of facial expressions, head motions, twitches, etc., in an effort to communicate their needs or questions.
If that too proves ineffective, they may, as a last resort, draw stick-figure illustrations on napkins or empty spaces on newspapers to indicate such concepts as "bathroom!" or "massive bodily injury recquiring prompt medical attention!" But that is all. |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| If competency in korean was compulsory for an E2.....? |
Never happen. Christ, can you imagine the largely untapped reserve of K chick poonany that'd be opened up to evil waygookin "playaz".
No way would old soju breathed ajoshi ever allow cute little Eun Ji to be exposed to that. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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I've said this before, but if Koreans dropped their perfectionist attitudes about needing to be taught english only from a white face, and paying decent compensation to their own bilingual citizens or gyopos and just have us co-teach/reinforce in classrooms(or at least the ones who failed their demo lesson), like ALTs in Japan's JET program, we wouldn't be talking about this ridiculous crap about Korean language proficiency tests for E2 holders.
It'll be a helluva long time for them to collectively realize and admit that their own cultural behavioral traits are the root causes for all of this. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
I've said this before, but if Koreans dropped their perfectionist attitudes about needing to be taught english only from a white face, and paying decent compensation to their own bilingual citizens or gyopos and just have us co-teach/reinforce in classrooms(or at least the ones who failed their demo lesson), like ALTs in Japan's JET program, we wouldn't be talking about this ridiculous crap about Korean language proficiency tests for E2 holders.
It'll be a helluva long time for them to collectively realize and admit that their own cultural behavioral traits are the root causes for all of this. |
They'll never admit they did anything wrong... no way!
It will always be someone else's fault. |
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Col.Brandon
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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The place would be a ghost town.
Oh, sorry - I thought you said competency in Korea! |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| If competency were demanded from hogwan owners most of us wouldn't be here, to be sure. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Then a whoooooooooole lot of schools would go bankrupt. Really, how many people learned passable Korean before getting a job here? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Then a whoooooooooole lot of schools would go bankrupt. Really, how many people learned passable Korean before getting a job here? |
I know someone who workd as a US army Korean linguist before she came to teach hogwan. She got pulled out of the classroom after two weeks because she couldn't control them. Fat lot of good all that Korean did her in terms of teaching. People who work at hogwilds should take lessons in how to be a b*tch instead. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Interesting. I could say the same about the new Korean-English teacher that I now work with.
She spends more time getting in shouting matches with students in Korean than she does teaching anything.
Classroom control is a difficult art to master. Just speaking the native language won't guarantee anything, but it does help me understand my students better and thus I am better able to decide how to react in certain situations.
I really don't try to control that much anymore. I think that was my biggest mistake from the start. I expected to be in control all the time.  Just ain't gonna happen.
Now, I can use the little bits of Korean that I know to help diffuse otherwise tense situations. Saying silly little things that the students seem to find funny, may not be teaching much and it doesn't mean that I am in "control" so much, but it does get them to accept me more and thus are more prone to try some English once in a while.  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I could get more money if that were the case. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Col.Brandon wrote: |
The place would be a ghost town.
Oh, sorry - I thought you said competency in Korea! |
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