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R. S. Refugee
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Big_Bird
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 Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Naomi Klein - my favorite Jewish thinker - more than Cho |
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Why do you like her more than Chomsky? (Just curious)
And why do you like Chomsky?  Don't you know he is a self-hating jew and terrorist/n!gger/gook/commie/raghead/[insert your favourite minority group that you love to hate] - lover, and a preacher of hate of the United States of America?! |
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R. S. Refugee
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Naomi Klein - my favorite Jewish thinker - more than Cho |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Why do you like her more than Chomsky? (Just curious) ...
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Because she communicates an important message clearly in a manner that a person of normal intelligence can understand without much difficulty. Something that Chomsky doesn't do so well.
And part of her effort is to rouse people to action. Rousing people to action is also something Chomsky doesn't do as well.
She's also better looking. In a lusty wench sort of way.    |
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmmmm ... interesting you should mention her jewish heritage. From a related link ...
"At the University of Toronto she became politically active, especially in feminist activism and opposition to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. The latter, despite being Jewish herself, didn't go over very well with the strongly Zionist Jewish students' union - she even received bomb threats!"
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1102872
Politically incorrect Naomi ... tsk tsk.
Also, i read somewhere a while back she was the daughter of *gasp* Alberta Premier Ralph Klein. Can anyone out there confirm this one way or the other ??? |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 4:04 am Post subject: |
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looking forward to the day when I see a similar title on this page
"XX, my favorite Christian thinker"
or "XX, my favorite Hindu thinker"
not expecting it anytime soon. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
looking forward to the day when I see a similar title on this page
"XX, my favorite Christian thinker"
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Jesus, my favourite Christian thinker? |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| try to make a thread out of it genius |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
looking forward to the day when I see a similar title on this page
"XX, my favorite Christian thinker"
or "XX, my favorite Hindu thinker"
not expecting it anytime soon. |
Good point, for once. |
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Bbang!
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| "Christian thinker" is an oxymoron. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Bbang! wrote: |
| "Christian thinker" is an oxymoron. |
In most cases, you're definitely right. It might be interesting actually to start a thread on Paul Tillich, Walter Wink, or Dominic Crossan, but it would probably be not turn out much differently from RS Refugee and me emailing each other. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| "XX, my favorite Christian thinker" |
Years ago, I tried to get my head around the stuff put out by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin whose main thing seemed to be centered around questions like "Can science and religion be successfully remarried?"
I also think chops deserve to go to Thomas Aquinas, who, I believe, also tried to bridge the gap between reason and faith.
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| or "XX, my favorite Hindu thinker" |
Does Gandhi qualify?
"surrounded by the Jain influences of Gujarat, Gandhi learned from an early age the tenets of non-injury to living beings, vegetarianism, fasting for self-purification, and mutual tolerance between members of various creeds and sects."
Favorite Buddhist thinker (sundubuman forgot to ask):
Thich Nhat Hanh |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like something the Dalai Lama has addressed from time to time.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=dalai+lama+science+religion
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| I also think chops deserve to go to Thomas Aquinas, who, I believe, also tried to bridge the gap between reason and faith. |
He also had a few choice words on the rather thorny issue of $$$ "usury", as well as the "just" price.
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Favorite Buddhist thinker (sundubuman forgot to ask):
Thich Nhat Hanh |
I agree. Thich Naht Hahn is ... truly one of a kind. |
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Wrench
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| I think Jewish people realy overestimate their importance and value. Jewis society is about as screwed up as the american society. I am not suprised why the Jewish "race" leads all other races in genetic defects due to imbreeding. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| I think Jewish people realy overestimate their importance and value. Jewis society is about as screwed up as the american society. I am not suprised why the Jewish "race" leads all other races in genetic defects due to imbreeding. |
Any bets on how long this troll will last? Seriously, if there were as many (typically liberal) American Jews as raving Christian Fundamentalists and vice versa the world would be a hell of an improved place (and Washington might have some spine with Israel). |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Hmmmmmm ... interesting you should mention her jewish heritage. From a related link ...
"At the University of Toronto she became politically active, especially in feminist activism and opposition to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. The latter, despite being Jewish herself, didn't go over very well with the strongly Zionist Jewish students' union - she even received bomb threats!"
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1102872
Politically incorrect Naomi ... tsk tsk.
Also, i read somewhere a while back she was the daughter of *gasp* Alberta Premier Ralph Klein. Can anyone out there confirm this one way or the other ??? |
No, she isn't. Related to that, her husband is Avi Lewis, who you may remember from Counterspin on CBC.
I quite disagree with her, and her socialist opinions. In No Logo she talks of the sweatshops that she visits, while in reality she only visited one, and only that because she heard it was the very worst. I really never understood why No Logo was such a hit.... I read it long before I was anything close to politically aware, and have read it again since, and it totally failed to inspire/challenge me.
On a side note, she recently said that what is needed (in Iraq, or Latin America, I can't exactly remember) is a Nationalistic Socialism. Hmmm, drop a few letters and perhaps we have a problem?
For a refreshing break from her try Johan Norberg (www.johannorberg.net). They write on the same issues but I find him to be a bit more sane.
Chomsky I find very challenging in a variety of ways. His foreign policy writing is quite good (I also enjoy V.D. Hansen) but Chomsky is really off on his economics. In People Not Profit (I think that is the name, it has been a long time) I remember that he asserts that for Ricardo and his theory of comparative advantage to be correct the US would still be selling beaver pelts as a dominant source of income. A total misunderstanding of a very important idea. But that is how Chomsky writes, he presents very complicated material in a manner that best represents his ideology of Anarcho-socialism to an audience that largely has zero knowledge of economics. He has also been accused of being a bit 'loose' with his citations. I also find his writing to be condescending. But for some reason I read everything of his I can get my hands on.
FYI, he writes a very interesting blog on ZNet.
For a good mix of Chomsky-like foreign policy and sound economics you may want to give Sheldon Richman a read.
http://www.fff.org/aboutUs/bios/sxr.asp
Edit,
I made a mistake on the Naomi quite. Here is it..
The only idea that has ever stood up to kings, tyrants and mullahs in the Middle East is the promise of economic justice, brought about through nationalist and socialist policies of agrarian reform and state control over oil.
Still........ |
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