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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:09 am    Post subject: Masters Degree for University Jobs Reply with quote

In Japan, applicants need a minimum of a Masters Degree to get into a university teaching job.

These jobs pay very well for the least amount of hours worked and allow for generous holidays.

Basically, these jobs are out of reach for those holding only a B.A.

Any idea if this is also the case in Korea?

How are the working conditions in Korean universities compared to Japanese universities?

Also, do Korean Universities accept distance M.A. degrees in TESOL or Linguistics from schools like - Univ. Birmingham, Leeds, USQ, etc, etc.?

Thks.
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Joo Rip Gwa Lee



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:14 pm    Post subject: Korean Universites. Reply with quote

It helps get jobs at many places, but I would guess around 70- 75% of the foreigners teaching at Korean universites don't have a Masters degree.

The trend in Korea is for Universities to offer contracts that pay less and hire B.A's instead of M.A's because people with B.As will accept conditions (not only money) that are a lot worse.

However this has not stopped several Korean universites who did the above from portraying their instructors in their English program brochures
as having M.As when they didn't.

The Universites saw they could make more money by lying than telling the truth. As you can see integrity is not a high priority at most Korean Universities.


Working at a good hogwon is much better than working at a bad university.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:31 pm    Post subject: Universities can be worse Reply with quote

The reality of Korean universities is that they can be much worse than Japanese universities. Korean universities can even be worse than Korean institutes (hogwans).

Be very careful when exploring work opportunities with Korean universities and institutes. You may find that bait-and-switch is a common practice.

Good luck.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would guess around 70- 75% of the foreigners teaching at Korean universites don't have a Masters degree.

I don't think reality bears this out. I teach at a rather low-grade (on the academic scale) university out in the provinces, and most of us who teach here have Masters degrees.

Some universities hire teachers with BA/BSs, but I think it's more like 20-30%- and there's big competition among applicants for one of those 20-30% of positions that go to non-MA/MEd holders.

Again, our school's just not that good and we're up there in the MA/MEd level... 80% maybe?
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lemon wrote:
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I would guess around 70- 75% of the foreigners teaching at Korean universites don't have a Masters degree.

I don't think reality bears this out. I teach at a rather low-grade (on the academic scale) university out in the provinces, and most of us who teach here have Masters degrees.

Some universities hire teachers with BA/BSs, but I think it's more like 20-30%- and there's big competition among applicants for one of those 20-30% of positions that go to non-MA/MEd holders.

Again, our school's just not that good and we're up there in the MA/MEd level... 80% maybe?


It's just the opposite at my university. Most of the teachers at my medium grade school only have a BA. Several have MA's, but the majority don't.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Lemon's perception at our school a low level school in Gwangju we have 10 foreign teachers and 8-9 of us have MA's. Other schools we have taught at also seem to be around 75% MA holders. With the univ job market getting tighter the % of MA holders at unis will definitely go up
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rasta man wrote:
I agree with Lemon's perception at our school a low level school in Gwangju we have 10 foreign teachers and 8-9 of us have MA's. Other schools we have taught at also seem to be around 75% MA holders. With the univ job market getting tighter the % of MA holders at unis will definitely go up


Is the uni job market getting tighter? Seems like the demand for teachers is so high right now that unis are lowering their standards to take teachers with BA's and several years of hagwon experience.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only talk for my uni but last summer we lost 3 teachers (we had no turnover this semester) but only hired 2 to replace them because of falling enrollments. We got over 150 resumes we didn't even consider people with BA's and we still had close to 100 qualified applicants including some with PhDs.

When we were hired in Nov 2001 we were told there were close to 300 resumes recieved for the jobs we got. Yeah many were BA's with only hogwon experience but the number of MA people applying seems to be increasing.

Might be more indicitive of how soft the job market for advanced degree holders in North America
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I'm doing my MA in applied linguistics via distance right now exactly for this reason. Marketabality! I may even be looking for a job later this year and am hoping that having an MA in progress plus 3 years of university position will get me a better job (less hours, I teach 20 right now).
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dutchman



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12 teaching hours a week
3 day schedule
20 weeks of paid vacation
Private office
No housing
2.2 mil
In Seoul
9 BA/BS, 1 MA

Thankfully our surpervisor is more concerned with staff compatibility and harmony than with Masters degrees.
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Rand Al Thor



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is about 50% MA's with 2 BA's including myself currently enrolled in a distance MA program.
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jsmac



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Gangwon-do

PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My MA probably helped ME get hired, from overseas w/ no foreign EFL experience, but there are plenty of us here without MAs.
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rick



Joined: 20 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for those of you giving informatin about the percentage of people with master's degrees at your universities. it would be a lot more helpful if you would say which universities you teach at. Then maybe we could get a better idea if it's related to if the university is in Seoul or other factors.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing where you are teaching.

If you don't have an MA, will this decrease your chances of getting a uiniversity position in a city like Seoul.

I'm kinda surprised to see that so many universities hire people with only BA degrees.

Thks.

T
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Hotuk



Joined: 10 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it would be a lot more helpful if you would say which universities you teach at.

I can understand teachers *not* wanting to disclose where they work. These forums are widely read and the anonymity provided by the board makes it possible for teachers to express their opinions more freely than if they knew their public comments were being read by their bosses.

Also, the one time I posted the name of the university where I worked, I was bombarded with e-mails from strangers asking me for help getting them jobs. One guy I gave general advice to actually used my name in his application to my boss, as if I was a reference.
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