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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: Public School Madness |
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Does it make sense hiring native speakers in public schools? With class sizes of 40-45 students one time a week, with a good percentage of foreign teachers ill-properly trained, why bother? What exactly are you public school teachers accomplishing?
In a country with a lagging economy and high youth unemployment, it would make more sense to me to put young Korean uni grads through English bootcamps and get them up to speed on proper English-teaching certification. If you did that you could phase out native speakers rather than bring in even more, and for the same price you could have at least two Korean English-teachers for the price of one foreign teacher. In the beginning, these teachers could act in much the same role as foreign teachers do now, but over the course of a few years the English curriculum could be refined around them.
Korean public schools could eliminate current contract, visa, and recruiting headaches, and get better value for their money. Leave native speakers for the hagwons and people willing to pay for them. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Location: North Shore NZ
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: |
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I'll go one further and say remove them from the universities and ban them from every government funded institution including the government itself.
Do you work in a public school, and are you
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Do your taxes go towards foreign teachers in public schools? Did you recently get fired for being incompetent? Can't break out of hogwan hell?
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Public School Madness |
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Korean public schools could eliminate current contract, visa, and recruiting headaches, and get better value for their money. Leave native speakers for the hagwons and people willing to pay for them. |
The point of having native speakers in public schools is that all kids have access to native speakers, not just the ones with rich parents. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:07 am Post subject: |
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The "young Korean uni grads" would immediately buckle under to the status quo & get sucked into the vortex of present ineffectual practices.
Native speakers in the classroom are making a difference. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Location: Ancient Greece
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Bosingtang-There's a BIG difference between Korean teachers teaching English and native-english speaking teachers teaching English.
The state of English education in this country is nothing to wax lyrical about, and by increasing the number of Korean english teachers and decreasing the number of native-english speaking teachers i hardly think you're going to improve the situation.
And how exactly would the English curriculum be 'refined' around them? I think they would just end up teaching a new language....'Konglish'. |
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Rock
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: |
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This sounds like one of those defeatist replies. What's the use? Really, are we of anyvalue?
Take it lightly, these streneous work loads. No, you're probably not making a great contribution, but in my eyes, you are making some.
You've got all the everyday colloquilisms down to a tee. A non-native speaker couldn't pick up on this. The Korean kids wouldn't be as interested in a Korean English teacher, let alone feel challenged to speak English. Your presence is benefitting the Korean English teachers, some of those more proficient. And you can offer them some creative means to learn English, more than a textbook can or a Korean.
The majority of students, or staff, want English teachers. We're there to bring them-the kids-out of the dark ages of learning English. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| fidel wrote: |
I'll go one further and say remove them from the universities and ban them from every government funded institution including the government itself.
Do you work in a public school, and are you
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Do you taxes go towards foreign teachers in public schools? Do you recently get fired for being incompetent? Can't break out of hogwan hell? |
None of the above. I'm just starting a discussion for the sake of discussion. Feel free to not participate. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| fidel wrote: |
I'll go one further and say remove them from the universities and ban them from every government funded institution including the government itself.
Do you work in a public school, and are you
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| ill-properly trained? |
Do you taxes go towards foreign teachers in public schools? Do you recently get fired for being incompetent? Can't break out of hogwan hell? |
None of the above. I'm just starting a discussion for the sake of discussion. Feel free to not participate. |
If you're jealous that while you are slaving away at your dinky haggie, others are makong more money, have more vacation time, have better apartments, have stable jobs, then do something about it and get a proper job at a public school. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Believe it or not, we do make a difference. If one stays here long enough, progress can be seen. As important as proficiency is confidence in using English, and Korean speakers of English evaluate their own competency by their ability to converse with native speakers. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: |
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I'm combining a bunch of responses here...
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This sounds like one of those defeatist replies. What's the use? Really, are we of anyvalue?
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I'm not writing a self-defeating post here, and I'm not proposing that foreign teachers don't make any difference (of course we do), but I'm proposing that foreign teachers are not used efficiently, and that in the long run Koreans would be better off having well-trained Korean teachers (or teaching assistants) and move towards a direction of self-sufficience in learning English rather than relying on expensive, foreign help.
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Bosingtang-There's a BIG difference between Korean teachers teaching English and native-english speaking teachers teaching English.
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Which is why I proposed taking lots of newly uni-grads and giving them English bootcamp training, and then thrown into the role currently occupied by a native speaker. When I had bootcamp training in mind, I had something like a three-month total immersion program using native speakers.
A properly trained non-native EFL-teacher is just as efficient, if not more so, then a poorly trained native teacher.
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The state of English education in this country is nothing to wax lyrical about, and by increasing the number of Korean english teachers and decreasing the number of native-english speaking teachers i hardly think you're going to improve the situation.
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But at the same time blindly throwing more native teachers at the English "problem" -- and it's only a problem because someone says it is -- is hardly an effective and efficient solution. I | |