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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:34 am    Post subject: NEW Immigration LAWS Reply with quote

As of Monday 16th May - Immmigration has a new LAW (Thanks to the recent SBS TV programs and the 3 teachers caught with fake degrees) - and many complaints from the Korean public......

The new law requires ANY teacher wishing to obtain an E2 VISA - that they CANNOT be given a visa unless they have their contract, degree, passport, photos, etc - BUT ALSO the "Official Academic Transcripts " - accompanied with University CONTACT Details (Phone number etc) (to verify) that must STILL BE in the teachers "UNOPENED UNIVERSITY ENVELOPE" that bears the stamps of the teachers university on the front/back of the envelopes - and the envelope is not to have been opened in any way.

Basically - this will cause a great inconvenience/annoyance to many teachers - because ALL E2 visa's - now require this.

Just a warning - start writing to your university now - to get these documents - and DO NOT OPEN the envelope when it arrives......

If you're planning on working at several schools in the near future with an E2 visa - then request many from your University.....


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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good. I hope they next require the documents to be sent in a bullet-proof briefcase accompanied by two men in suits and dark sunglasses all the way over from the university to Korea. Keep the salaries the same and go for one teacher in each public school by 2009.
I hope they meet 30% of their target for the upcoming term in September.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All previous sarcasm aside this is a good step for them to take.

It is their right to ensure that they hire people with real diplomas. This may do some good if it makes it harder for people with fake credentials to get work.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All right then, enough with the sarcasm. This is...a band-aid step to take. I would support a full criminal background check along with this new law regarding transcripts if it were accompanied by more incentives to stay in the country for longer than a year. Turnover is the biggest problem we have here and only people with special reasons to like the country like you and I actually want to stay here for life. Owning your own visa, incentives to learn the language, allowing part-time work in other fields as well are good places to start. There's a lot of untapped potential here that people aren't allowed to use.
I do hope they don't get enough teachers in September though; that was serious.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"UNOPENED UNIVERSITY ENVELOPE" that bears the stamps of the teachers university on the front/back of the envelopes


Interesting and unlikely
My university does not supply envelopes stamped front and back. I also dont think that they are going to change their policy to keep in step with Korea's changes.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Western solution on a Korean problem. Insatiable demand will blow through any restraints that may inadvertantly curb the supply, which is inconsistent and irregular to begin with. In 3 months, we'll be hearing how the greed and demand of parents, schools, and recruiters have managed to go around this and the blind eye that immigration will be turning to it.
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
Western solution on a Korean problem. Insatiable demand will blow through any restraints that may inadvertantly curb the supply, which is inconsistent and irregular to begin with. In 3 months, we'll be hearing how the greed and demand of parents, schools, and recruiters have managed to go around this and the blind eye that immigration will be turning to it.


I hope so - lets hope it fades out in the next few months - but because I am so cautious - I have already phoned my Uni and ordered a few - to exact specifications.........


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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
All previous sarcasm aside this is a good step for them to take.

It is their right to ensure that they hire people with real diplomas. This may do some good if it makes it harder for people with fake credentials to get work.


Actually they need to go one step further! and only accept foreigners with TEACHING DEGREES!
I mean fake credentials and no experience go hand in hand!!

A teacher caught with a math degree, teaching English should be FINED and DEPORTED... that will keep the koreans happy!
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is there any news source on this anywhere?
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me like a reasonable extra hoop to discourage phony degree holders from applying, but I imagine the fake document industry wont be too long in catching up.

Providing sealed transcripts is a standard service from Canadian universities (not elsewhere?) for grad school applications etc. Costs a bit of time & money but its not difficult.

I was asked to show a sealed transcript at the Vancouver consulate for my E2 6 years ago. It seemed prudent to order extras at the time so I've still got 2 or 3 stashed away somewhere here in my messy apartment, for whenever.

I agree too, a criminal record check should also be part of the required document package.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The new law requires ANY teacher wishing to obtain an E2 VISA - that they CANNOT be given a visa unless they have their contract, degree, passport, photos, etc - BUT ALSO the "Official Academic Transcripts " - accompanied with University CONTACT Details (Phone number etc) (to verify) that must STILL BE in the teachers "UNOPENED UNIVERSITY ENVELOPE" that bears the stamps of the teachers university on the front/back of the envelopes - and the envelope is not to have been opened in any way.


I thought that was S.O.P. Except for the stamp thing, I've had to do it for all three of my E2s.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats interesting, as my university doesnt, and probably wouldnt, do this. Why dont they verify the degree the same way they are verified all around the world?
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the problem with the transcripts being in the university envelope?
You order one, it's mailed to you at your address...don't open the envelope when you receive it and give it to immigration. What's the big deal? Better yet...take that envelope to the korean embassy and have them make certified copies of it for you to give immigration. Surly immigration will accept certified copies from their own embassy!!!
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pegpig



Joined: 10 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A link to something pretty much official would be nice - not that I don't consider Dave's official. Ok. That is why. It seems there have been a few threads talking about big changes coming soon. But, no links. I'm not on here all that often, so it is possible I missed it.

I can understand them doing a good check ONCE. But, I don't see it being necessary once you're in their system (that's rich I know). To show off your degree and transcripts over and over again seems silly.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
Thats interesting, as my university doesnt, and probably wouldnt, do this. Why dont they verify the degree the same way they are verified all around the world?



Cost prohibitive and time consuming for immigration to check. How many teacher��s vs. how many immigration folks for one thing.
Some universities will not give out any info without the student��s consent so calling many of them would yield no results. Checking on line is always a possibility��but��I am sure even then��some hurdles.
The only sure full proof way is to get the E2 applicants to sign a waiver allowing the school/immigration to check. Immigration mails the signed consent form to the applicants school....wait for a response. If it turns out to be bogus...put the person in jail until they are deported. And all who submit the waivers would also know beforehand the penalty for submitting fraudulent documents. What was more important that immigration did not do���� was address criminal checks!
I��d rather have a fake degree holder teaching vs. a pedophile! Or someone who is into drugs or has a violent temper.
I do know that in the US at the present time when someone applies for a new passport...their name is ran through the criminal records check system for whateven...same in seoul. Before one gets a renewed passport...they are checking for wants and warrants. Had a friend a year ago went to the embassy in seoul. He was wanted for failure to pay child support...amount....15K....his passport was revolked and korean immigration detained him for being in the country illegally!!! Deported back to the US!
Anyway...got side tracked from the original topic...
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