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julian_w



Joined: 08 Sep 2003
Location: Somewhere beyond Middle Peak Hotel, north of Middle Earth, and well away from the Middle of the Road

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Conspiracy Theory: Eng. lang. media ban? Reply with quote

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There's supposed to have been some Korean language media coverage, including TV interviews; but in the English language online news in Korea, there seem to be only two measly little articles covering the huge international show-down going on in Ulsan, Korea, right now.

This is a confrontation of epic proportions. This is a story unfolding into history right in front of you. This is about people, the environment, cultural conflict, national cooperation vs deceit... and no-one seems to know about it!

What's the problem? Is it that the powers-that-be are afraid of all the greeny-whities in Korea joining in the international protest? Or did I just miss the wide and ample coverage, and it's just that most ESL teachers are too self-interested to get their heads into gear and their butts on a bus to Ulsan?

This is the bottom line: If you've ever seen a whale and realised how beautiful they are, or if you'd ever like your kids or their kids just to be able to maybe someday see a whale, then you need to copy these links, forward them to as many people and other online forums like this one as you can, and then make arrangements to spend as much time as you can in Ulsan throughout June. Mid-late June is a very good time to give a *hit and get on that bus.

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From the people who are there, right now:
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/koreawhales/

Two measly paragraphs: http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050519/460100000020050519174931E0.html

Okay, to be fair, this article is solid, though brief:
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200505/kt2005052716171311990.htm

Visit the Whale Embassy today:
http://www.comebackwhales.com/english/index.html

Good scientific info., and a positive alternative to murder:
http://www.sbs.auckland.ac.nz/research/ecolevol/baker/symposium/index.htm

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julian_w



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: ... anyone ...? Reply with quote

So, has anyone found any other coverage of this huge event mentioned anywhere else?

What about the smaller English language magazines?

You guys who watch Korean language TV or read the papers, what's the content and coverage been like in your part of the country?

... Surely there's been more than this in the Korean language media...? Or in the smaller English language publications...?
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna give you some advice man. I'm not a writer and i'm not an English teacher, but there's one rule I learned in school: STATE YOUR MAIN IDEA IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. I had to get to the last paragraph to figure out what the hell you're talking about and even then it was only through inference.

or maybe, as part of the consipiracy, your first paragraph was edited by the censors...ooh...
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tardisrider



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmm...I'll bet whales taste good. The only thing I'd vote "yes" for is putting one on my plate.
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julian_w



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Info about the Whale Embassy, Ulsan Reply with quote

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Tardisridder [sc.]: That's a weak effort, troll. (*...yawwwn...*) I was offered whale meat on a plate, 'serbice', many years ago in Korea, and that was a surprise. Online efforts at merely being irritating lost their relative impact a long time ago.

Billybrobby: Thanks for the advice. You sound mildly peeved. I do regret that. To that end, let me get immediately to the second and main point of this posting.

For people like the other person who just PMd me and asked for more info. about the Whale Embassy:

here's a bunch u may find useful.

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I found contact info. for the embassy at this site:
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/koreawhales/archives/2005/04/urgently_needed.html

"April 11, 2005
Urgently needed: whale ambassadors!
Do you live in Korea? Do you speak fluent English and Korean? Would you like to help out at the Whale Embassy? Then we want to talk to you!
If you would like to volunteer at the Whale Embassy, please give us a call for all the details."

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You can find more info. about the embassy, and see a picture of what to look for once you get there, at this site:
http://www.comebackwhales.com/english/index.html

"Greenpeace and KFEM have established a Whale Embassy, right near the brand new Jangsaengpo Whale Museum in Ulsan."

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You can read about the experiences of those who are or who have already been there, here:
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/koreawhales/

As you may discover, if you really want to go and experience being a part of it all, get yourself a tent and outdoor sleeping gears!

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As for the best time to be there, ... well, the way I see it, there are three major stages of the meeting left between right now this minute, and the end of June.

The actual whaling meeting (International Whaling Commission) started on the 27th May, but goes until the 24th June. It has four sections:
(i) a workshop (last weekend),
(ii) scientists' meeting (until June 12)
(iii) a 'general committee' meeting (June 13 - 19) and
(iv) the general assembly (June 20-24).
The way I guess it's being run is that the scientists present a bunch of information first, then committee members meet, drink and chat and sound each other out in the second stage, and then the last session they actually get down to arguing and making decisions.

1.) right now, it's good to be there: for moral support for those who have come over from other countries only for the demonstration in Ulsan. They knew little of life in Korea before they got here; they're really interesting people to chat with because they're so completely dedicated to living what they believe; and hopefully, after meeting them, you can talk with every Korean and foreigner you meet, and convince them to email, phone and contact every person they know and get more support that way too, for the days and weeks that are following (see 2.) and 3.)

2.) ... June 13 - 19 - I'm guessing that this is when the first VIP national reps. are coming to town - I mean those with political agendas, rather than scientific. I'd guess it'd be good to have extra people on hand to add further weight of numbers to the demonstrators then.

3.) ... June 20 - 24 - I'd also guess that the third and final session, which is during the week, will also require more people to add to numbers. If you can throw a sick day or take a day's leave, one day earlier that week would be best to do.

You can read the best article I've found online so far here:
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200505/kt2005052716171311990.htm

The best way to get the best information, however, would be to contact the people on the ground there. I'm currently in another country, and haven't contacted those at the embassy yet.

I'm trying to organise my ticket there for the next couple of weeks; but whether I'll be there before stage (ii) or stage (iii.) I haven't figured out yet.

I hope to see you there tho! (and that includes you, too, Tardyribber! )
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desultude



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tardisrider wrote:
Mmmmm...I'll bet whales taste good. The only thing I'd vote "yes" for is putting one on my plate.


I had muktuk (whale blubber) and eskimo ice cream (whipped whale fat with blueberries and sugar) many years ago, and, aside from cultural historical purposes, I don't get it. I suppose it is an acquired taste, like bundaegi. Except silk worm larvae have little higher purpose.
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chance2005



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stay away from whale meat. It is very polluted with Mercury. If you eat it your nipples will fall off.
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JacktheCat



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ate Minke whale sushi and tartar in Iceland and nothing happened to me. Though I can't say the taste was that great. Greasy and with a strong aftertaste.

Dolphin steak on the otherhand is delicious.
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tardisrider



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

julian_w wrote:
Tardisridder [sc.]: That's a weak effort, troll. (*...yawwwn...*) I was offered whale meat on a plate, 'serbice', many years ago in Korea, and that was a surprise. Online efforts at merely being irritating lost their relative impact a long time ago.



Had my point been to troll or irritate, you would be correct. I was, however, being perfectly serious. The hunting of whales doesn't bother me one bit. I've never eaten one, but I'd be quite happy to try it.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Conspiracy Theory: Eng. lang. media ban? Reply with quote

julian_w wrote:
What's the problem?...most ESL teachers are too self-interested to get their heads into gear and their butts on a bus to Ulsan?


Maybe they don't want to get fired or deported for skipping work to take part in a protest. I don't think my boss would keep me around if I said, "hey, Mr. Kim, I'm heading down to Ulsan to protest whaling. My job'll be here when I get back, right?"

Sparkles*_*
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chance2005



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:
I ate Minke whale sushi and tartar in Iceland and nothing happened to me. Though I can't say the taste was that great. Greasy and with a strong aftertaste.

Dolphin steak on the otherhand is delicious.


Just wait. It takes time.
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going down to Ulsan this weekend to get me some whale meat. No lie, no troll.
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julian_w



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Whale Meating Reply with quote

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jaganath69 said:

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I'm going down to Ulsan this weekend to get me some whale meat. No lie, no troll.


Well, jaganath69, I'm happy for you. (Bit sad for the whale tho...)
... Hey, if you can delay or repeat your trip a couple of weekends later, PM me and I'll meet you in town there for a beer after dinner, and you can tell me what your din-dins was like. I won't join you for the feed though, thanks anyway! And you'll be welcome to come by the Whale Embassy anytime, and learn why they've come from all around the world just to hang out here for a time.

Or... you can find out more for yourself here:
http://www.comebackwhales.com/english/index.html

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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for saving endangered species but the Greenpeace potheads get on my nerves.
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julian_w



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Whale Wishes Reply with quote

julian_w wrote:

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What's the problem?...most ESL teachers are too self-interested to get their heads into gear and their butts on a bus to Ulsan?


Sparkles wrote:

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Maybe they don't want to get fired or deported for skipping work to take part in a protest. I don't think my boss would keep me around if I said, "hey, Mr. Kim, I'm heading down to Ulsan to protest whaling. My job'll be here when I get back, right?"


Haa! Oh Sparkles, methinkes thou doth protest a wincy-bit too much.

Heh. A couple of things.

1.) Well, I wouldn't want to second-guess Mr Kim, firstly because I've never met him (- I'm pretty sure... unless... unless he's THAT Mr Kim... ...!? -)
but, secondly because frankly, one of the things I love about Koreans is that I'm so often surprised by them.

It's entirely possible that he just may say:

"Yeah! Good idea! Great language-enrichment experience! Hagwon field-trip! Let's all go over to Ulsan and support the whales!"

I'm reminded of the unpredictability of the Korean psyche and its ability to gain sudden political awareness by two things:
(i) having lived in Gwangju and learned about the whole May 18 thing, and
(ii) having just read about the transformation that is happening there in Ulsan right now!

You can read about it here:
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/koreawhales/

(Heh... altho I would be a little surprised if that actually happened, too, that's no reason not to try. Maybe he'll come over with you and the kids in the weekend, instead, and that's better than nothing! )

2.) re: the 'self-interested' challenge - Having just read the thread on the proportion of foreigners here who regularly self-inflict hangovers on themselves, I have to wonder how many of the very rare sick-days a bunch of people here take, for dealing with such. Having said that, I have met just as many esl teachers in Korea who are devoted to regularly helping out at local orphanages, or contributing in other ways to local communities. That's why the original post was a question: Why have so few other people here mentioned this incredible event that is happening just down the road?

What I was trying to say in a previous post is that this is a rare opportunity to take part in the neighbourhood of the international community. I hate lying, and want no-one to fool Mr Kim or whomsoever their good, fair, honest, hard-working hagwon-owner/boss is, as to why they are away for a day.

Rather, if your boss doesn't get the import of what's going on in Ulsan right now, and if you don't like your stink hagwon job, then just chuck it in and go to Ulsan for the rest of this month, and simply find a better job at the end of it.

And if you have a university job or something else, then arrange for others to cover for you before or after the weekend for as many days as you reckon you can handle, and get yourself there!

Very Happy


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