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igotthisguitar
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 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: Carter Calls on U.S. to Shut Down Gitmo |
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Carter Calls on U.S. to Shut Down Gitmo
ATLANTA - Former President Carter on Tuesday called for the United States to shut down the Guantanamo Bay prison to demonstrate its commitment to human rights. "The U.S. continues to suffer terrible embarrassment and a blow to our reputation ... because of reports concerning abuses of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo," Carter said after a two-day human rights conference at his Atlanta center.
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Guantanamo_Detainees |
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Gopher
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schwa
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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I have a lot of respect for Jimmy Carter.
The least conniving president in modern US history. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Carter should have killed Ayatollah Khomeni before he got to Iran. |
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Alias
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Another Mullah would have just taken his place. |
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funplanet
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| Carter is a weak-kneed appeaser....dealing with terrorists is getting along with them, giving them a big hug, and telling them "I feel your pain." He was a worthless President, though intelligent, but worthless all the same..... |
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Gopher
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Carter should have killed Ayatollah Khomeni before he got to Iran. |
Wilson should have killed Lenin after returning from exile, before he got off the train in Moscow.
Gopher knows what he's tlaking about, and schwa, too, but the rest of you have no idea - funplanet will probably have to google before he can figure out what the reference to desrt One was about.
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| The U.S. continues to suffer terrible embarrassment and a blow to our reputation ... because of reports concerning abuses of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo |
Friedman has said the same thing in the last week or so, and Joo over there has also said something similar, though he probably thinks it is "patriotic" if we all just ignore Gitmo and pretend it's not happening.
Carter is a Christian in the best sense - he has never used it to make himself look better than others, and his humility is something most humans could do to emulate. Gerald Ford and other ex-presidents picked up golf clubs after leaving office, but Jimmy picked up a hammer and started building houses for people who needed them.
He's a better man than most of us. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
| Another Mullah would have just taken his place. |
Not with the ability to make things happen like Khomeni. Besides the other mullahs weren't as hardline as Khomeni. Things could have been very different. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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Bush Opens Door to possible closing of Guantanamo
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush left the door open to an eventual closing of the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay on Wednesday amid mounting complaints and calls for it to be shut down, including a broadside from former president and human rights champion Jimmy Carter.
"We're exploring all alternatives as to how best to do the main objective, which is to protect America. What we don't want to do is let somebody out that comes back and harms us," Bush said in an interview with Fox News Channel when asked whether it should be shut down.
Calls for closure of the prison camp for foreign terrorism suspects at Guatanamo Bay, Cuba have risen over the past few days after Amnesty International set off a furor last month by calling it a "gulag" and comparing it to the brutal Soviet system of forced labor camps in which millions died.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/security_guantanamo_dc;_ylt=AsefCbPV.lTZUvxQTUbZxYsDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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Gwangjuboy
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Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| According to former Director of Central Intelligence Robert M. Gates, who served on Carter's NSC staff, in late 1979 Carter signed findings for anticommunist covert action in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, thus restarting the Cold War in the aftermath of detente, an event the popular imagination erroneously credits to Reagan. |
Strange considering that Carter wanted to withdraw all US forces from South Korea. I am not doubting your source, but just finding it hard to reconcile that position with Carter's policy on Korea. Needless to say, Carter was one of the only Presidents who was deeply distrusted North and South of the DMZ during a term in office. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote:
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| Also according to Gates: "The Soviets saw Carter as a dangerous adversary, quite contrary to the view of his foreign policy at home." |
Here is a quote from an interview with Zbib Brzezinski, Carter's National Security Advisor.
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Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
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If this interpretation is correct, then Carter, far from being the bumbling cracker he was so often portrayed as, was actually a rather conniving and machiavellian fellow.
It's a bit ironic, though. The invasion of Afghanistan was always held up as the prime example of Carter's incompetence. But, at least according to Brzezinski, it should be regarded as his greatest triumph.
Of course, one has to keep in mind that old BZ has an interest in portraying Carter's foreign policy as a crowning success. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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Oh, and my favorite part of the interview:
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Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
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Very well put, Mr. Brzezinski.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html |
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Gopher
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Didn't Reagan turn up the heat on the USSR and that is why they feel.
By they way support for the contras started under Reagan not Carter.
All you are saying is that Jimmy Carter didn't completely not respond to Soviet attempts to spread Communism.
I mean the Soviets were trying to bring revolution to lots of places so Carter pushed back the other way as any US president would have. It doesn't mean he pushed hard enough.
Any US president woudl have done what Carter did and perhaps a lot more. |
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