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Foreigners and Salary Caps; Limits on Pay

 
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Real Reality



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Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: Foreigners and Salary Caps; Limits on Pay Reply with quote

Strict league regulations dictate the terms under which foreign athletes can play,...There is a salary cap of $280,000 that must be divided between the two players. Their Korean counterparts can earn considerably more; Mr. McHone says that star players make between $350,000 and $400,000. "We do the work," Mr. Lang says wryly, "but we're at the bottom of the totem pole." But it's impossible to ignore the foreign presence on the court, especially on the scoreboard. Mr. Won, the Thunders' translator, says he believes the two Americans take 60 to 80 percent of the playing load during any given game.

But foreign players show little emotional investment in their teams. Their contracts are rarely renewed for a second season, and the coaches consider constant turnover good for the team. Each team is allowed two changes in their foreign roster per year, meaning both players could potentially be replaced mid-season. Teams frequently exercise that option in pursuit of better players.
by Chanel White and Kim Sun-jung, JoongAng Daily (February 14, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200502/13/200502132231128609900092309231.html

E-1 (Professors) Visa
A. The Object of Visa Issuance
In the case of a national or a public University, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/e_1.html
Source site:
http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/service_01.html

Foreign scholars merit equal status
The foreign professor -- colleague or hired hand?

Foreign professors tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.... According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
by John B. Kotch, JoongAng Daily (June 14, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

The annual salary of first-year professors ranged from 17 million won at Cheju National University to 43 million won at Sungkyunkwan University.
by Kang Min-seok, JoongAng Daily (September 23, 2001)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200109/23/200109232313052859900090409041.html

Average Monthly Salary of Korean Professors
According to the 2001 College Education Advancement Index which the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) announced on the 13th, full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) last April was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
Donga.com (February 14, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798

South Korea
Salary for Professor: US$5,511 per month
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/salaries/2000/popups/content/21prof.html
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is part of a recent job annoucement (not from Dave's)

M.A. with teaching or research experience (TEFL/TESOL or English Major preferred).
Job Type: Temporary/Contract, Full Time
Annual Salary: 19,820,000 KRW (or approximately 1,651,670 KRW per month)

Would you accept it if you had a master's degree?
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Anasazi



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, a full-time job with no security, earning less than part-time teachers with a bachelor's in underwater basket-weaving? Sounds GREAT.
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, it is at a university.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reaping what they sew.
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Reaping what they sew.


I just lost the thread.
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desultude



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Derrek wrote:
Reaping what they sew.


I just lost the thread.


Cool
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, who applied?
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Derrek wrote:
Reaping what they sew.


I just lost the thread.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Oh that was the best laugh I had all day.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they give 6 months paid vacation, free housing and allowed me mucho overtime at about 50k an hour, I may consider it.
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Saxiif



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another university position
- Salary: 1.7 million per month (1.8 with M.A.)
- Potential for overtime pay with additional non-credit courses
- Occasional staff meetings, work-related responsibilities, and office hours.
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/
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desultude



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Another university position
- Salary: 1.7 million per month (1.8 with M.A.)
- Potential for overtime pay with additional non-credit courses
- Occasional staff meetings, work-related responsibilities, and office hours.
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/


Yes, a bad job. Unless it is your first uni job and you swing it without an M.A. In that case, with additional pay for overtime and summers off or summers paid overtime to teach camp, you still make more, have better benefits, and longer breaks, than you do at a hogwan. Please show me where in the west you will get a university job with even an M.A. these days, let alone a B.A. Oh, and show me a Korean teaching in a Korean university with a B.A. All of the Korean faculty I teach with have PhD's, and do research and publish. They keep very long hours, and certainly don't go traveling all summer and winter break.

Stop comparing apples and oranges. The westerners here that get uni jobs are usually, but certainly not always, less qualified and work less hours than Koreans. True there are some who have PhD's and want tenure track jobs they have a hard time getting, but they are in the small minority, and I suspect that most of them would have a very hard time getting a tenure track job elsewhere, also.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very well said.
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