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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject: Foreigners and Salary Caps; Limits on Pay |
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Strict league regulations dictate the terms under which foreign athletes can play,...There is a salary cap of $280,000 that must be divided between the two players. Their Korean counterparts can earn considerably more; Mr. McHone says that star players make between $350,000 and $400,000. "We do the work," Mr. Lang says wryly, "but we're at the bottom of the totem pole." But it's impossible to ignore the foreign presence on the court, especially on the scoreboard. Mr. Won, the Thunders' translator, says he believes the two Americans take 60 to 80 percent of the playing load during any given game.
But foreign players show little emotional investment in their teams. Their contracts are rarely renewed for a second season, and the coaches consider constant turnover good for the team. Each team is allowed two changes in their foreign roster per year, meaning both players could potentially be replaced mid-season. Teams frequently exercise that option in pursuit of better players.
by Chanel White and Kim Sun-jung, JoongAng Daily (February 14, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200502/13/200502132231128609900092309231.html
E-1 (Professors) Visa
A. The Object of Visa Issuance
In the case of a national or a public University, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/e_1.html
Source site:
http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/service_01.html
Foreign scholars merit equal status
The foreign professor -- colleague or hired hand?
Foreign professors tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.... According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
by John B. Kotch, JoongAng Daily (June 14, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html
The annual salary of first-year professors ranged from 17 million won at Cheju National University to 43 million won at Sungkyunkwan University.
by Kang Min-seok, JoongAng Daily (September 23, 2001)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200109/23/200109232313052859900090409041.html
Average Monthly Salary of Korean Professors
According to the 2001 College Education Advancement Index which the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) announced on the 13th, full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) last April was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
Donga.com (February 14, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798
South Korea
Salary for Professor: US$5,511 per month
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/salaries/2000/popups/content/21prof.html |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Here is part of a recent job annoucement (not from Dave's)
M.A. with teaching or research experience (TEFL/TESOL or English Major preferred).
Job Type: Temporary/Contract, Full Time
Annual Salary: 19,820,000 KRW (or approximately 1,651,670 KRW per month)
Would you accept it if you had a master's degree? |
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Anasazi

Joined: 25 May 2005
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, a full-time job with no security, earning less than part-time teachers with a bachelor's in underwater basket-weaving? Sounds GREAT. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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And, it is at a university. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Reaping what they sew. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Derrek wrote: |
Reaping what they sew. |
I just lost the thread. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
Derrek wrote: |
Reaping what they sew. |
I just lost the thread. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Ok, who applied? |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
Derrek wrote: |
Reaping what they sew. |
I just lost the thread. |
Oh that was the best laugh I had all day. |
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guangho

Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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If they give 6 months paid vacation, free housing and allowed me mucho overtime at about 50k an hour, I may consider it. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Another university position
- Salary: 1.7 million per month (1.8 with M.A.)
- Potential for overtime pay with additional non-credit courses
- Occasional staff meetings, work-related responsibilities, and office hours.
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/ |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality wrote: |
Another university position
- Salary: 1.7 million per month (1.8 with M.A.)
- Potential for overtime pay with additional non-credit courses
- Occasional staff meetings, work-related responsibilities, and office hours.
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/ |
Yes, a bad job. Unless it is your first uni job and you swing it without an M.A. In that case, with additional pay for overtime and summers off or summers paid overtime to teach camp, you still make more, have better benefits, and longer breaks, than you do at a hogwan. Please show me where in the west you will get a university job with even an M.A. these days, let alone a B.A. Oh, and show me a Korean teaching in a Korean university with a B.A. All of the Korean faculty I teach with have PhD's, and do research and publish. They keep very long hours, and certainly don't go traveling all summer and winter break.
Stop comparing apples and oranges. The westerners here that get uni jobs are usually, but certainly not always, less qualified and work less hours than Koreans. True there are some who have PhD's and want tenure track jobs they have a hard time getting, but they are in the small minority, and I suspect that most of them would have a very hard time getting a tenure track job elsewhere, also.
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kimchikowboy

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Very well said. |
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