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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Republicans never made an honest living in their lives Reply with quote

Dean Defends Criticism of Republican Party By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jun 8, 8:46 PM ET



Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean on Wednesday defended his recent harsh criticism of Republicans, including his observation that they are "pretty much a white, Christian party."

Dean noted that he, too, is a white Christian. But he said the GOP is too narrow in its scope and the Democratic Party is far more diverse.

While even prominent Democrats in recent days have distanced themselves from some of his comments, the outspoken Dean, appearing on NBC"s "Today" show, said criticism of him is meant by Republicans to divert attention from the country's problems and make him the issue instead.

Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian party."
Challenged on that during the NBC interview, Dean said "unfortunately, by and large it is. And they have the agenda of the conservative Christians."

"This is a diversion from the issues that really matter: Social Security, and adequate job opportunity, strong public schools, a strong defense," Dean said.

Asked about it on the "Fox & Friends" show, GOP Party Chairman Ken Mehlman joked that "a lot of folks who attended my Bar Mitzvah would be surprised" he heads a Christian party.

"We gotta get ourselves beyond this point where when we disagree about politics, we call the other guy names," he said.

Said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.: "Last week's scandal was Deep Throat. This week's scandal was Dean's throat, and apparently Dean likes the taste of his own foot."

Dean also recently raised eyebrows when he told a group of progressives that Republicans "never made an honest living in their lives," a comment he was forced to explain a day later. The one-time presidential candidate also said that House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, who has not been accused of any crime, ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence.
Democratic New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said Tuesday that Dean is doing a good job, but is not the party's spokesman.

Last weekend, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., and 2004 vice presidential candidate John Edwards criticized Dean for his recent remarks, saying he doesn't speak for them.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, talking with reporters Wednesday, said she did not agree with the statement Dean made about the Republican Party.

"The role of the chair of the Democratic National Committee is one that is different than the role of the Democratic leader of the House or in the Senate," the California congresswoman said, "and sometimes the exhuberance of that position results in statements that neither of us would make."

"I don't think that the statement the governor (Dean) made was a helpful statement," she said. But Pelosi said she thought that Dean was "doing a good job."

"Listen. Any one of us at any given time will make a statement that we may, in retrospect, say maybe that was a little over-enthusiastic," she said. "And I can put that statement in that category for Governor Dean."

Biden, asked about Dean Wednesday during an interview on the Don Imus radio show, also said the chairman is doing a good job.

"A lot of things he does say, I agree with," Biden said. But he also said that Dean "has views that are slightly different than mine .. .But look, he's a lightning rod. ... It's probably good that there's a guy out there that's a lightning rod ... ."

Biden, however, added that he thinks "the rhetoric is counterproductive."

"I think this country has a purple heart, not a red heart or a blue heart," Biden said. "If we can't bring this (country) together, man, boy, we're really in deep trouble."

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This has been going on for a few days now. I can't decide if it is planned and hilarious or unplanned and hilarious.

He's a breath of fresh air. I'm not sure if it is good strategy or not, but since the media is so weak about holding up the GOPers to public scoffing, he's doing it and getting some media attention.
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gov. Dean is living proof that lunatics can run asylums.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the GOP is 99% white and 37% of them are professed evangelicals.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I think about Dean, the more I like what he is doing. I do think he needs to sharpen his barbs and squewer the GOPers on their weaknesses though. For example, rather than say they are all white and Christian, he should quote some of the real wingnuts on the religious right and blame all Republicans for it...just like the Republicans made a dirty word out of liberal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean is the final nail in the Democratic Party coffin.....at least he's amusing to watch...kinda like an organ grinder monkey Very Happy
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dean is the final nail in the Democratic Party coffin



Wishful thinking, funplanet, wishful thinking.
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to the real purpose of a party chairman which is to raise funds, Loony Dean is getting his butt kicked. He might go over big in the land of fruits and nuts, but in the rest of the country he is a joke who is making party leaders mighty nervous.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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Dean is the final nail in the Democratic Party coffin



Wishful thinking, funplanet, wishful thinking.


Funplanet, Would you actually want a one party state???

I am not American, and try as hard as possible not to care about Yank politics, but I am gonna assume that either party being laid to rest, and the rest of the nation left to the will of the survivor would be a rather horrible outcome.

Also, I am afraid that the Dems will be around a lot longer than you... Sure, right now a whole whack of Americans have the intellectual fortitude of third world peasants, following mysticism to the ballot box, but in time this will pass and your nation will regain her mind. And I seriously doubt it will be a bunch of Harry Potter burning thugs to bring you back from the brink.

I am no fan of either party, just so we are clear.
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing Dean is doing is rallying the left wing of the party. By doing this the middle and right factions (blue dogs) are growing very nervous about next year's election. The "move on" Al Franken types will run that party into the ground. The FDR style party is dead as he is. We shall see what happens in '06.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.T.Carl wrote:
When it comes to the real purpose of a party chairman which is to raise funds, Loony Dean is getting his butt kicked. He might go over big in the land of fruits and nuts, but in the rest of the country he is a joke who is making party leaders mighty nervous.


You're wrong. Dean so far has brought in more money for the Democrats than any other party head before him. The Dems historically have raised less money than the GOP, so pointless comparing him to his GOP counterpart.
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Sleepy in Seoul



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I am way off base (and perhaps this may be the wrong place to express this), but I have wondered something for a while now... how, in a world of infinite possibility, does it seem possible for Americans to subscribe to only two standardised political points of view? At least, where I come from we don't (generally) judge all of a person's character based only on the political party that they vote for once every 4 (or so) years.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps I am way off base (and perhaps this may be the wrong place to express this), but I have wondered something for a while now... how, in a world of infinite possibility, does it seem possible for Americans to subscribe to only two standardised political points of view?


No, I don't think you are off base and here is as good a place as any to express your puzzlement. I'm an American and I also think it's kind of peculiar.

First, there are a lot of parties in the US. There is a Communist Party, a Socialist Workers Party, a Women's Christian Temperance Party (!) and a slew of others. They are all quite small. There have been influential third parties but when support for them grows, one or the other of the two main parties coopt their most important planks and the party gets absorbed back into the mainstream.

The main reason for this is the Electoral College. I'm sure you heard a lot about that in the last two presidential elections. The key point as far as this discussion is concerned is that the candidate who wins the popular vote is almost guaranteed to get all of that state's electoral vote. (That happens by custom, not law.) This makes it extremely difficult for a Third Party to get established. It's hard to convince a politically minded voter to vote for a candidate that is guaranteed to lose in a given state.

Another important point is that Americans are not (usually) very ideological. The two main parties reflect that. They are coalitions of economic, regional, historic, racial, religious and mildly ideological allies that shift over time. This is the reverse of a parliamentary system where a party gets into the legislature and then bargains for membership in a governing coalition (if needed). In our system, the bargaining happens before the election.

Another aspect of this non-ideological tendency is that both parties fight for the vote of the centrist majority. This tends to prevent either party from going too far to the left or right. The winning votes are in the middle.



There are advantages and disadvantages to it, as there are in any system. I've no doubt left out some important features, but I doubt if you were asking for a Ph.D. thesis. I hope I've answered the essential part of your question.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ya-ta Boy, that has helped. I understand a little better now - I had heard of the Electoral College, but I'd assumed that it was where Americans went to learn how to vote....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd assumed that it was where Americans went to learn how to vote....
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That's its OTHER function. We prefer to keep quiet about that one.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:

You're wrong. Dean so far has brought in more money for the Democrats than any other party head before him. The Dems historically have raised less money than the GOP, so pointless comparing him to his GOP counterpart.


The last election showed that money will only get you so far. How much money did Moveon spend vs. the Swift Boat vets? Look, money's important, but it's not everything. If money were the DNC's primary motivator they should have stuck with McCallife, who was a bagman personified.

The head of a political party should not overshadow their candidates. They should work behind the scenes and function as a powerbroker. Dean isn't playing that role because he either:

A) Doesn't know how to shut his big damned mouth.

or

B) Is an attention-starved megalomaniac.

Either quality is not something you want in the head of a party. The smart Democratic politicians are trying to distance themselves from the Dean trainwreck accordingly.
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