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R. S. Refugee
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Gopher
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
I'm no admirer of Bush. Didn't vote for him in either election. Was disappointed in his election. Disagree with his policies, foreign and domestic.
On the other hand, a lot of people in the world hated the United States before Bush, and they're going to continue hating the United States after he retires from office in 2009. He is a dangerous president, but he's also the pretext of the moment for the America haters out there. |
You, sir, are quite right. The US has a long history of supporting repressive regimes in the Middle East and elsewhere that has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, at the very least, who did not deserve to be slaughtered. Indonesia and the Year of Living Dangerously leaps to mind but there is a long enough list that even America's opiated mainstream media cannot hide the truth from anyone who seriously wants to know. They laugh bitterly as our own Caligula struts and rants about his faux democracy and his brain-dead sychophants -- a significant contingency of whom declaim ad naseum a la Rush on this discussion board about "those barbarians -- the dastardly Muslims."
Until America has a decent foreign policy such attitudes from others will continue. Naturally, others will now say, "Well, what about so-and-so? They (that country) does awful things even worse than the USA." And they're probably right. But when the USA spends more money on the instruments of killing than the rest of the world combined, its attitudes and foreign policy are obviously more important than the other despotic regimes simply because it has the capacitly to kill more innocents than the rest of the world combined. Duh. |
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laconic2
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Wonderful World of ESL
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:31 pm Post subject: True |
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| Gopher wrote: |
I'm no admirer of Bush. Didn't vote for him in either election. Was disappointed in his election. Disagree with his policies, foreign and domestic.
On the other hand, a lot of people in the world hated the United States before Bush, and they're going to continue hating the United States after he retires from office in 2009. He is a dangerous president, but he's also the pretext of the moment for the America haters out there. |
Too true, but hating America does not require a pretext for many of the "America haters" out there. It is their reason for drawing their next breath. I worry about the potential of their doing harm to themselves were they to be deprived of such an activity. Obsession does not begin to describe the phenomenon. A quick look at this site evidences my point. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| ... so it isn't all Washington's fault, even when there's an unpopular president in the White House... |
Certainly I never claimed that "it is all Washingtons' fault." I did claim that when a country owns more killiing weapons than the rest of the world combined and has a ready willingness to use them for offensive purposes, either directly or through surrogates, that those most threatened by them will cast a wary eye in that direction. The most basic survival instinct would demand that they do so. Wouldn't you, if you were in that position vis a vis a violent global hegemon? |
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laconic2
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: See what I mean? |
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".....a violent global hegemon?"
The unending mantra of the unending agenda of the unbiased. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The US has a long history of supporting repressive regimes in the Middle East and elsewhere that has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, at the very least, who did not deserve to be slaughtered. |
One lesson I took from the US experience in Vietnam and the Soviet experience in Afghanistan is that foreign 'support' of a government is not enough to keep a government in power if the people really don't want it. |
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Tiger Beer
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I don't understand why we need a brand new thread everyday by R.S. Refugee stating this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
| Gopher wrote: |
| I'm no admirer of Bush. Didn't vote for him in either election. Was disappointed in his election. Disagree with his policies, foreign and domestic. |
Exact same here. I absolutely loath Bush policies just like the mass majority of the world, and MANY Americans (myself included). |
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laconic2
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: Over and Over |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
I don't understand why we need a brand new thread everyday by R.S. Refugee stating this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
| Gopher wrote: |
| I'm no admirer of Bush. Didn't vote for him in either election. Was disappointed in his election. Disagree with his policies, foreign and domestic. |
Exact same here. I absolutely loath Bush policies just like the mass majority of the world, and MANY Americans (myself included). |
It does get old, doesn't it?
The thing is we are dealing with an obsession. Unless they are able to unleash their daily quantity of venomous and redundant attacks against the U.S., it would appear all manner of consequences could befall them. In the beginning, I'm certain, it was only one or maybe two such messages but it has grown to an amount now that sometimes even exceeds their ability to produce them. For fear of stepping on a crack and breaking their mother's back, they must jump even a longer distance and, in the same vein, produce even more messages or something terrible will happen.
Often, given the writing styles involved, I am fairly confident they are eliciting support from themselves but only under different names. This, of course, makes them feel good, as "someone" believes as they do. It matters not that they control "someone" and all the "someones" continue to repeat the same mantra.
Their world is a very comfortable one for them. They have a mission. They have an agenda. If you don't believe exactly as they do, you are the enemy and you are surely stupid. The world is a very black and white place for them. They are on the side of right and so they are very white. All who agree exactly with what they write or say are white. Those who would disagree or even agree only partially are surely not worthy of wearing a white hat.
They refuse to acknowledge that some people can disagree, in part, with a policy or administration but agree in other parts. They refuse to believe that not everyone is either a liberal or a conservative. They want to pigeonhole you and me into the comfortable categories that make their world so comfortable for them.
They are scary. Scary because they really believe their mission and agenda are all that count. They are also scary because they pass themselves off as being intellectually superior to everyone else. The truth is that when you read what they write you find they have never had an original thought in their lives and can only recite the mantra that helps them to get through their day.
They are really not interested in debate or discussion. They are only interested in promoting what they believe in. In truth, they are boring and have been boring for a long time and my thinking is they are most boring to themselves.
After they read this message, expect a whole lot more mantra, over and over and over and over and over again. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Over and Over |
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| laconic2 wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
I don't understand why we need a brand new thread everyday by R.S. Refugee stating this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
| Gopher wrote: |
| I'm no admirer of Bush. Didn't vote for him in either election. Was disappointed in his election. Disagree with his policies, foreign and domestic. |
Exact same here. I absolutely loath Bush policies just like the mass majority of the world, and MANY Americans (myself included). |
It does get old, doesn't it?
The thing is we are dealing with an obsession. Unless they are able to unleash their daily quantity of venomous and redundant attacks against the U.S., it would appear all manner of consequences could befall them. In the beginning, I'm certain, it was only one or maybe two such messages but it has grown to an amount now that sometimes even exceeds their ability to produce them. For fear of stepping on a crack and breaking their mother's back, they must jump even a longer distance and, in the same vein, produce even more messages or something terrible will happen.
Often, given the writing styles involved, I am fairly confident they are eliciting support from themselves but only under different names. This, of course, makes them feel good, as "someone" believes as they do. It matters not that they control "someone" and all the "someones" continue to repeat the same mantra.
Their world is a very comfortable one for them. They have a mission. They have an agenda. If you don't believe exactly as they do, you are the enemy and you are surely stupid. The world is a very black and white place for them. They are on the side of right and so they are very white. All who agree exactly with what they write or say are white. Those who would disagree or even agree only partially are surely not worthy of wearing a white hat.
They refuse to acknowledge that some people can disagree, in part, with a policy or administration but agree in other parts. They refuse to believe that not everyone is either a liberal or a conservative. They want to pigeonhole you and me into the comfortable categories that make their world so comfortable for them.
They are scary. Scary because they really believe their mission and agenda are all that count. They are also scary because they pass themselves off as being intellectually superior to everyone else. The truth is that when you read what they write you find they have never had an original thought in their lives and can only recite the mantra that helps them to get through their day.
They are really not interested in debate or discussion. They are only interested in promoting what they believe in. In truth, they are boring and have been boring for a long time and my thinking is they are most boring to themselves.
After they read this message, expect a whole lot more mantra, over and over and over and over and over again. |
This sounds so simple that you'll probably think I'm just naive, but if you don't like my posts there is a simple solution. Don't read'em. |
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Gopher
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:59 am Post subject: |
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They are incapable of engaging in any meaningful diaglog because they only repeat their simplistic charges like a mantra, and don't listen to anything that contradicts their predetermined position. [quote Gopher]
This could easily be said about many of the "right-winged" posters on this forum.
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Gopher
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