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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:37 am Post subject: McCain - Jeb Bush in 2008? |
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(I would prefer McCain and Condi Rice myself)
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| . Who would be willing to stick with Bush's adventure? Bush would like to hand over power to a president committed to his Iraq policy. McCain -- who is close to the party's neoconservative wing -- has been steadfast in defending the president's decision to go to war, despite doubts about prewar planning and mistakes early in the occupation. |
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For all these reasons, Bush and McCain could end up as each other's best friends. Bush has been battling, with Rove's help, for a long-term political realignment in favor of the Republicans. The president could well come to see McCain as the only Republican with a chance to push a Republican era forward. McCain, in turn, knows that his only way around the Republican right is to run with Bush's open blessing, if not his outright endorsement.
And here is where Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the president's brother, could be the deal-closer. Jeb Bush has said he will not run in 2008. But that does not rule him out as a vice presidential candidate. If McCain won, Jeb would be the No. 2 to a president who will turn 72 on Aug. 29, 2008, and might well serve only a single term. If McCain lost, Jeb would have enhanced national recognition for a run in 2012. If picking Jeb is the price of winning over George W., McCain will pay it. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/13/AR2005061301461.html |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Or McCain and Rudy. Anyway, if Billery tries she will get her butt whupped. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| McCain was seen as betraying the right wing in that Senate compromise deal a couple of weeks ago. He's not likely to live that down. The conservative wing of the party, which pretty much controls the party, is going to push one of their own. Frist is a more likely candidate than McCain. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain was seen as betraying the right wing in that Senate compromise deal a couple of weeks ago. He's not likely to live that down. The conservative wing of the party, which pretty much controls the party, is going to push one of their own. Frist is a more likely candidate than McCain. |
Agree with the Mccain bit, but not frist. He lost a lot of clout in the fillibuster deal. He has no chance in hell at winning either. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:11 am Post subject: |
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but not frist. He lost a lot of clout in the fillibuster deal. He has no chance in hell at winning either.
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I hope you are right, but I stand by my belief that someone from the right wing will be the nominee, whether it is Frist or not. Gingrich was on The Daily Show the other night. He's been in Iowa scouting out the prospects. Shudder!
I'm still enamored of the Kerry-McCain KIND of ticket, something unifying and moderate. I'm not betting my paycheck on it, but I would like to see it. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: ... |
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Considering it's a good 7 months into the salad days promised last November, I'd say any Bush on the ticket is premature.
Joo. Nice thought on Condi. Unfortunately, her own constituents are too racist to even consider her. Trust me. I grew up among them. In '88, THEY were gonna sell the farm and move to CANADA if they had a black president (I'm talking about Jesse Jackson).
That should put Condi in a rather compromising position.
However, I don't think the Democrats would put her on a ticket either (not that I really want her on a ticket).
But really, and I know the dicks on the right will appreciate this, I'm not voting Democrat again.
I'm prepared to concede the next election to build a third party to replace the Democrats.
Of course, our crapola constituents generally can't see how our House of Representatives hasn't fucked them royale since its size was frozen in 1911.
Yes, I'm being provocative.
In a country of 3 hundred million, two parties is bullshit.
And we can change that. It's not in our Constitution. It's about the less than 50% of the country who bothers to vote cleaning house. Starting with the Electoral College. Utter Bullshit. Oh, you're a Republican who likes it because of 2000? *beep* you! Liking wrong things because they help you at the moment doesn't make you the beacon of freedom you dream of when your dreams are wet.
*beep* that.
But that is my point. I'm talking about leaving Jay-Leno Land and snurfling about how the people on "Jaywalking" are dumber than you.
That's both the asses and the elephants.
America should not resemble the latest reality show.
Let's vote, two parties across a vast chasm, for what we want, and not for some half-assed in-between.
Yes. This is a rant. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| I like the electoral college, it protects the rights of States which don't have big populations. No one would care what people from North Dakota think on anyting w/o it. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Starting with the Electoral College. |
I think you are going to have to get over your antipathy for the Electoral College, or at least come to terms with it. It takes 3/4's of the states to ratify an amendment. (37.5 states...so 38 states.) That means twelve states can block a constitutional amendment.
In 1996 these were the
States with 3 electoral votes:
Alaska
Delaware
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Vermont
Wyoming
That's 7 of the 12 needed to block.
Here are the states with 4 electoral votes:
Hawaii
Idaho
Maine
Nevada
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
That's 6 more, for a total of 13, one more than is needed to block.
There are 4 more states with 5 votes, 2 with 6 and 3 with 7 for a total of 21 states.
It is not hard to imagine at least 12 of the 21 wanting to protect the political interests of their people. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Rudy and Condy would be a pretty strong ticket. There's some grass roots stuf going on pushing for Condy to get the bid.
Condy vs. Hillary, that'd be a great race. |
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