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ed4444



Joined: 12 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Nelson Mandela Reply with quote

Yesterday I mentioned to my Korean girlfriend that I had started Nelson Mandela's autobiography. Even after I wrote it in Hangul and showed her his photo, she didn't recognise him.

My adult students were not much better either. Very few knew who he was.

I think I will try dropping Mao, Churchhill, Martin Luther and Lincoln's names into classes next week to see if I get any response. Not all at once though!

Anyone know what Korean history classes cover (if anything) of International history at school level?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only historical figure Koreans know is Yu-sun-shin.

"Don't you know he killed lots of enemy japanese with his turtle ship? Lets all study harder, so we can be like him".

(*Actual quote from student essay written by parent).
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yesterday I mentioned to my Korean girlfriend that I had started Nelson Mandela's autobiography. Even after I wrote it in Hangul and showed her his photo, she didn't recognise him.

My adult students were not much better either. Very few knew who he was.

I think I will try dropping Mao, Churchhill, Martin Luther and Lincoln's names into classes next week to see if I get any response. Not all at once though!


Actually, I think Koreans are more likely to be aware of older historical figures than of ones from Mandela's era. I've mentioned Mao, Luther, Churchill, and Linclon in class, and at least some students always knew who I was talking about. Mao I think most Koreans would know, in fact the other day I got into a discussion with a 20 year old about how Mao's policies differed from Deng Xiaoping's.

As for Luther, the hardcore Christians would probably know him, at least. And anyway: if you walked into a western classroom and mentioned the name of some neo-Confucian scholar from the 11th Century, would anyone have a clue who the guy was? In my experience, the average occidental schoolkid's knowledge of eastern religion is confined to a vague idea of what Buddhism is about, plus the name(though not the philosophy of) Confucius.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not surprised at all. Sad yes, but not surprising.

I know it is no comparison, but my students dont even know who 90% of the biggest stars in Hollywood are... they love their American movies, culture, music, and language... but the names just dont stick.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've played a question game countless times with my various adult classes over the years. The foreign names they almost all know: JFK, Roosevelt, Lincoln, Churchill, Elizabeth II, Gorbechav, Mandela, Einstein, Darwin, Clinton, Bush, Gandhi, Michaelangelo, da Vinci, Blair, Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Shakespeare.

One way to find out who they know: Write 'authors' on the board and ask them to list as many as they can think of in 2 minutes. Then go through 'politicians', 'scientists', 'artists' etc. They often only know them when another Korean says the name--might be a pronunciation/spelling thing. I get better results by starting with the category first, rather than the name.
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joelseymour



Joined: 18 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:37 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had students telling me that North & South Korea were first divided after the Korean war in '53. Shocked

To me, that's unbelievably ignorant of one's own history. Shocking.

After hearing things like the above, I'm not surprised in the least that they don't know about Hitler, Mandela, or anyone else.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheba wrote:
Im not surprised at all. Sad yes, but not surprising.

I know it is no comparison, but my students dont even know who 90% of the biggest stars in Hollywood are... they love their American movies, culture, music, and language... but the names just dont stick.


hehehe, although not Korean. I too wold not know any of the Hollywood "stars". I'd say that shows common sense.

As to music, yes, I love much American music, esp jazz and blues. Many great things have come from America, some too from white Americans.

Language, well, I can understand most Americans - but there was a barely comprehensible mob in town last night.

But culture? Help me out here ......

Wink
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But culture? Help me out here ......

Wink


Oops!


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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD; pardon me if I'm being 'obtuse', but I believe Wangja put the wee smiley face there for a reason.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, it was I who was being obtuse.

Didn't see the emoticon.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, my experience has been the oposite. All the kids these days have book series of important historical figures.

The kid who lives next door is 10 and knows who Albert Sweitzer was. I don't think I knew who my country's prime minister was when I was 10.

Sparkles*_*
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Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really doubt that North American kids are any better. Probably worse.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell, ask any Korean how many provinces there are in their country ( explain Gyeonggi do is a province) and see how long it takes them to figure out that there are nine. Shocked
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ed4444



Joined: 12 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I just had a bad bunch of students this month. I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Mind you I think its wrong to compare the historical figures I mentioned to neo-Confucian scholars from the 11th Century in terms of influence.

Maybe comparing them to the Dalai Lama or Confucious himself would be more appropriate
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