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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: The Madrassa Myth Reply with quote

This is from today's NY Times:

June 14, 2005
The Madrassa Myth
By PETER BERGEN and SWATI PANDEY

Washington

IT is one of the widespread assumptions of the war on terrorism that the Muslim religious schools known as madrassas, catering to families that are often poor, are graduating students who become terrorists. Last year, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell denounced madrassas in Pakistan and several other countries as breeding grounds for "fundamentalists and terrorists." A year earlier, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld had queried in a leaked memorandum, "Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?"

While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist. Indeed, there is little or no evidence that madrassas produce terrorists capable of attacking the West. And as a matter of national security, the United States doesn't need to worry about Muslim fundamentalists with whom we may disagree, but about terrorists who want to attack us.

We examined the educational backgrounds of 75 terrorists behind some of the most significant recent terrorist attacks against Westerners. We found that a majority of them are college-educated, often in technical subjects like engineering. In the four attacks for which the most complete information about the perpetrators' educational levels is available - the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the 9/11 attacks, and the Bali bombings in 2002 - 53 percent of the terrorists had either attended college or had received a college degree. As a point of reference, only 52 percent of Americans have been to college. The terrorists in our study thus appear, on average, to be as well educated as many Americans.

The 1993 World Trade Center attack involved 12 men, all of whom had a college education. The 9/11 pilots, as well as the secondary planners identified by the 9/11 commission, all attended Western universities, a prestigious and elite endeavor for anyone from the Middle East. Indeed, the lead 9/11 pilot, Mohamed Atta, had a degree from a German university in, of all things, urban preservation, while the operational planner of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, studied engineering in North Carolina. We also found that two-thirds of the 25 hijackers and planners involved in 9/11 had attended college.

Of the 75 terrorists we investigated, only nine had attended madrassas, and all of those played a role in one attack - the Bali bombing. Even in this instance, however, five college-educated "masterminds" - including two university lecturers - helped to shape the Bali plot.

Like the view that poverty drives terrorism - a notion that countless studies have debunked - the idea that madrassas are incubating the next generation of terrorists offers the soothing illusion that desperate, ignorant automatons are attacking us rather than college graduates, as is often the case. In fact, two of the terrorists in our study had doctorates from Western universities, and two others were working toward their Ph.D.

A World Bank-financed study that was published in April raises further doubts about the influence of madrassas in Pakistan, the country where the schools were thought to be the most influential and the most virulently anti-American. Contrary to the numbers cited in the report of the 9/11 commission, and to a blizzard of newspaper reports that 10 percent of Pakistani students study in madrassas, the study's authors found that fewer than 1 percent do so. If correct, this estimate would suggest that there are far more American children being home-schooled than Pakistani boys attending madrassas.

While madrassas are an important issue in education and development in the Muslim world, they are not and should not be considered a threat to the United States. The tens of millions of dollars spent every year by the United States through the State Department, the Middle East Partnership Initiative, and the Agency for International Development to improve education and literacy in the Middle East and South Asia should be applauded as the development aid it is and not as the counterterrorism effort it cannot be.

Peter Bergen, the author of "Holy War Inc.," is a fellow at the New America Foundation. Swati Pandey is a research associate there.

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Hmmmm. If true, this would mean that the terrorist problem is not based in Islamic education. Golly gee whiz. If we can't blame the religion, who can we blame?
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If true, this would mean that the terrorist problem is not based in Islamic education.


While it may be true that madrassahs do not produce terrorists, they produce the ideology that justifies terrorism and allows it to grow.

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Golly gee whiz. If we can't blame the religion, who can we blame?


That's an amazing leap of logic you just performed. So, because the students of madrassahs generally don't go on to become terrorists, that means that Islamic teachings aren't to blame?

The teaching of kids at madrassahs leads to the Islamification of society, where hatred of the West and of Israel fester, and where those who criticise such teachings are ruthlessly suppressed. It is in this atmosphere of anti-Western propaganda and Islamically justified Jihad that terrorists are created. It is the Islamic leaders, mullahs and imams using the tradition of Jihad and Koranically justified violence that is the problem. So yes, we can blame the religion, or at least those Islamic clerics (and there are indeed many) who exhort their flock to carry out Jihad.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's an amazing leap of logic you just performed.



Thank you. I appreciate the compliment. I think that is the first time you have admitted that there is any logic at all in my posts. I think that means that I am making progress in bringing light to you. Wink
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I think is more important is the number of madrassas in Pakistan hasn't increased in the past few years. Theyre not as popular as they once were. The Economist had an article on the subject a couple issues ago.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigverne wrote:
While it may be true that madrassahs do not produce terrorists, they produce the ideology that justifies terrorism and allows it to grow.

Can't have people coming around the place with ideas, now, can we. Wouldn't do at all.

It's a shell game you are playing, bigverne, three-card monte, pointing at this card that you want us to pick when any one watching what was going on knows the one we want is among the other two.

You wanna know the real source of anti-American feeling which finds its expression muslim extremism? I'm prettry sure you don't want to know, but I'll tell you anyway.

It's the actual behavior of the US in that part of the world, and of other western nations, starting with the drawing of lines on the map of the countries that exist today for no other reason than that it was convenient for colonialism to separate and divide and put people in zones so they they would compete and resist each other rather than trhe common external enemy. It continues with the several times that popular revolts against monarchies and dictatorial regimes in the region, sometimes installed by the US and other western powers, have been opposed and otherwise manipulated.

It continues today, and that is what Iraq is all about. Not about terrorism, not about religious war or spreeading democracy, but about asserting power and building hegemony in a part of the world we have no business messing with.

That's what's under the card you are hoping we don't pick.
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