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andrew
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eamo
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The military ran this country for many years.
I've seen TV footage or heard of brutal behaviour many, many times. The Kwangju Massacre comes to mind.
The Korean army and police used to consider beating civilians as not such a bad thing. They're a little more checked in these days of democracy. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| -Thats acceptable. But did one of them ever do the unforgiveable and accidentally run over someone running in front of their vehicle?? |
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Jake E. Lee
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| What are you refering to rapier? |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| there is a korean drama at the moment about Chun Du Hwan, the president at the time of the Kwangju massacre. Peppermint Candy also has a part of the massacre in it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Kwangju Massacre comes to mind.
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Some time ago, I was walking through my neighbourhood in Gwangju, near Provincial Hall and Democracy Square. There was a protest against(I believe) the Patriot Missles, and as I stumbled onto it one of the protestors was lying on the ground, obviously following a confrontation with the riot police. Medical personnel had arrived to take him away, and some adjummas were standing in the doorway of a local diner, screaming at the police and throwing bowls of water at them(that was priceless). Mind you, I didn't see what had transpired prior to the guy falling to the ground.
The protests by Democracy Square these days often have a rather farcical quality to them. They'll send out these huge battalions of police to supervise what turn out to be comparatively small and uneventful gatherings of protestors. The cops usually seem to outnumber the protestors by a fairly hefty margin. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| there is a korean drama at the moment about Chun Du Hwan, the president at the time of the Kwangju massacre. Peppermint Candy also has a part of the massacre in it. |
I saw the wrap-up for the filming of the Gwangju Incident episode a few weeks back. There were all these graffiti-strewn buses in Democracy Square, and one of them was overturned. Wish I had had a camera. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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The Kwangju Massacre comes to mind.
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The protests by Democracy Square these days often have a rather farcical quality to them. They'll send out these huge battalions of police to supervise what turn out to be comparatively small and uneventful gatherings of protestors. The cops usually seem to outnumber the protestors by a fairly hefty margin. |
The protests aren't what they used to be, but there remains a need to do something with all those conscipts who aren't fit for military service. It was hilarious the first time I saw a dozen protestors literally walled in on all side by police at a protest. |
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chance2005
Joined: 03 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Korean dramas - brutal beatings of uni students by soldi |
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I was disturbed while watching a movie on Thursday evening. I didn't see the beginning or the end, but did watch about 90 minutes in the middle. The movie appeared to be about a university that was shut down for some reason and it took place in 1995. SK soldiers were guarding the entrance to the university. In one scene, about 100 students walked up protesting to an equal number of soldiers. In a minute or so, rocks were being thrown and the soldiers broke rank and pursued the students. Those caught were beaten brutally with sticks, fists and kicks. Witnesses were horrified.
About 15 minutes later, a larger group of students came at the soldiers, but no rocks were thrown. On signal, the soldiers began chasing the students again. This time, male and female students were both struck over the head and the male students were then stripped and beaten and kicked in the streets. One student leader hid from the soldiers, and they ran into a library where students were studying. They pulled the hair of all the male students there to jerk their faces into view and when they didn't find the one they were looking for, killed another student by the worst beating I've ever seen. The soldiers were even attacking any male their own age that they saw even if he had nothing to do with the university.
It was very realistic. There were no camera cuts away from the faces of those being beaten, so you saw the blows and the blood spurting out, but no sign of a red dye pack could be seen. How were they able to do this without actually wounding the actors?
Also, is this typical SK soldier behavior? It seems no different from the brutality visited upon the Tianamen square protestors in China, nor the tactics of NK troops. Maybe the guy who killed those officers in the DMZ last week just couldn't handle it anymore. If SK's troops are this brutal to people, I can't understand why the US would want to prop up this nation with our troops. If American leaders saw this film, they would probably lump SK in with the terrible regimes of the worst human-rights violaters in the world. |
Must have been about Yonsei. I saw the carnage the day after. The university campus looked like a war zone. I think the students were still holed up in the Science building when I took a walk there. Later that night they tried to escape by placing a board across to another building, but were caught by the police and beaten/arrested. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Female students at the Yonsei thing complianed about being manhandled by the police as well |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Korean dramas - brutal beatings of uni students by soldi |
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| andrew wrote: |
If American leaders saw this film, they would probably lump SK in with the terrible regimes of the worst human-rights violaters in the world.
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Oh god, that has to be one of the most naive things I have ever heard.
Who do you think helped put Korea's former miltary dictators in power, supplied it's army and police with weapons, and trained the police in "crowd suppression methods"?
Hint - it was the same people who overthrew the democratic government of Chile, supplied chemical weapons to a certain Middle East dictator, and tried to slip poison into Fidel Castro's food so that his beard would fall out. |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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JACK you must be a Canadian Hippie who does not understand a warrior mindset- having never been a professional killer.
If someone throws rocks at you they are using DEADLY FORCE. Now the said methods were unkind but thet should pursue and arrest those who tried to hurt them as they broke the law.
Therefore, the training kicks in and the Madness that is a group think Unit of Warriors takes hold  . The people who threw rocks at the troops were not protesting= they were using hard objects to harm.
The same holds true to the tree hugging hippies who every South Vietnam person who was killed, tortured, or put in a concentration camp can thank.
Them dag burn hippies on them American Collages were tryin to throw rocks too. It served them right when they done got lit up by the National Guard. You even got these crazy aniti-globularr hippie an-arch-kiss who be pushin over rich WTA cars an breakin windas. I like to see them hippies put to work in a chain gang bustin rocks.
America never taught anybody how to torture people well not too much at least. Now it may the case we have handed certain unruly prisoners over to local interrogators... But, this lump the blame on America for intervening is silly.
The Empire will rule all unless it goes soft as it seems to be... - And I served the Empire as a Crusader. Look what happened when America left the field in SE Asia in Cambodia. We should have immediately attacked the upstart Banana Republic Cuba too and saved all of those people a generation of communist sorrow and brutality. |
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