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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: Quick! What's the Korean for "chutzpah"? |
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(No, I don't actually want you Korean rangwijee kidz to consult your online dictionaries and tell me something I already know.)
There's a close neighbour whose roof I can see from mine. I say "close" but that's relative, and I'm not a very good judge of distances. 40 m? More? Anyway, although it is relevant to this incident, I just don't know exactly how far away his place is from me. Also, he's down the mountain from me, so it seems further than it may be.
Some days ago I was up on my roof checking on recently replaced drains, as you do after heavy rains like the ones we've been having. It was from up there that I could see that the neighbour's roof was an absolute lake, half of it. Water ankle-high it looked in one section.
The next day I climbed up again, and the neighbour's roof was still a wading pool on one side. That afternoon I passed by the neighbour's house and his driver was outside the gate. I told him about the drainage problem and said he ought to tell his boss, since it seems they aren't aware of it. The guy thanks me, and I forget about it.
Yesterday morning, I see workmen up on the neighbour's roof unclogging drains, setting out a massive tarp, and preparing to do what looked to be some resurfacing & retiling in one area. Yesterday evening, I'm coming home from dinner out with friends and I'm passing by the neighbour's car as he pulls into his garage. I waited until they got out, and was going to have a brief chit-chat about their roof.
I thought perhaps he might thank me. You know -- one neighbour looking out for another. Well, no. He tells me that the fallen leaves that had clogged his drains (and apparently caused leak in the house) are from trees on my property, and that this time he'll let it go, but if I don't do something about those trees.... (the implication being that he's going to hold me financially responsible for any future rain damage to his house )
That's just stupid all around. First, there are trees all over, not just in my garden. There's a whole forest around here. Second, how am I supposed to control the wind from blowing leaves from trees on my property down the mountain, skipping at least one other property along the way, and landing on this geezer's roof (which he doesn't bother to inspect ever)?
No, I'm not the least bit worried. But I must say I am rather at a loss for words to describe this attitude. (And this is one of many examples I might bore you with.) It's just .... supreme chutzpah is what it is. I can't think of any other term. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, but I have no sympathy for you tree-owning folks. Our neighbor has three big trees that dump all their leaves and twigs on our yard and I, I repeat I, have to go out in this heat and humidity and rake them up. Can't even use 'em for a weeny roast 'cause they're too green.
(We had a semi-tornado the other day and my hands have blisters from the rake. In my humble opinion, tree-owners should have to tag every darn leaf on their trees and go around the neighborhood after storms and pick up their leaves.) |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| what's english for chutzpah? |
The English for "chutzpah" is "chutzpah". I can also tell you that the english for:
"Rendezvous" is "Rendezvous" (it has a totally different ring to it than just a "meeting".)
"Schadenfreude" is "Schadenfreude"
"Laissez faire" is "Laissez faire"
"Kimchi" is "Kimchi"
and
"���� [Dokdo]" is "Takeshima"
-HE |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: |
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(Sorry, it's a knee-jerk reaction) |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for you tree-owning folks. Our neighbor has three big trees that dump all their leaves and twigs on our yard and I, I repeat I, have to go out in this heat and humidity and rake them up. Can't even use 'em for a weeny roast 'cause they're too green.
(We had a semi-tornado the other day and my hands have blisters from the rake. In my humble opinion, tree-owners should have to tag every darn leaf on their trees and go around the neighborhood after storms and pick up their leaves.) |
Without those trees, you don't get to breath. And the climate turns into a desert. Of course, if you live in Seoul you already face those things so it doesn't matter.
Can someone explain this word too me in English I DO know?
"Schadenfreude"
Thanks. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| jinglejangle wrote: |
Without those trees, you don't get to breath. And the climate turns into a desert. Of course, if you live in Seoul you already face those things so it doesn't matter.
Can someone explain this word too me in English I DO know?
"Schadenfreude"
Thanks. |
Ok. Schadenfreude is "Pleasure derived from the misfortune of others" Like when a kid falls off his chair after you've told him for the 100th time not to swing back on it.
I feel guilty when I teach words like this though because I know the Korean teachers won't understand it if the kids ever use it =( (Never used it outside of an advanced class though) Kind of like when another foreign teacher I work with hadn't heard of Easter Island last week (specifically the funny little statue thingeys). It was in a book we were both using for a shared class. I kind of delighted in the embarassment she probably felt when the students asked her what the funny head things in the book were. (Scott Forseman ESL7, "Mysteries of the World" or some such thing.)
http://www.dictionary.com is my friend. It can be yours too, I guess, but normally I don't like to share.
-HE |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
http://www.dictionary.com is my friend. It can be yours too, I guess, but normally I don't like to share.
-HE |
Ha ha ha! I guess I can remember that address. Thanks for the enlightenment. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| what's english for chutzpah? |
The English for "chutzpah" is "chutzpah". I can also tell you that the english for:
"Rendezvous" is "Rendezvous" (it has a totally different ring to it than just a "meeting".)
"Schadenfreude" is "Schadenfreude"
"Laissez faire" is "Laissez faire"
"Kimchi" is "Kimchi"
and
"���� [Dokdo]" is "Takeshima"
-HE |
i pronounce chutzpah with the 'ch' sound. i'll bet that just burns you up doesn't it?
and I don't use dirty french words. I call a Rendezvous a "freedom meeting" and I call Laissez faire "freedom economic freedom" |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| That'll teach you to help people. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for you tree-owning folks. Our neighbor has three big trees that dump all their leaves and twigs on our yard and I, I repeat I, have to go out in this heat and humidity and rake them up. Can't even use 'em for a weeny roast 'cause they're too green.
(We had a semi-tornado the other day and my hands have blisters from the rake. In my humble opinion, tree-owners should have to tag every darn leaf on their trees and go around the neighborhood after storms and pick up their leaves.) |
I always say, no response is a bad response. (really, I always do say that) But this one of yours, Ya-ta, seems to be missing certain crucial facts. While I've no doubt that some of the leaves on this guy's roof came from my trees, it is (and you'd realise this if you saw it) comPLETELY unreasonable to suggest that most or even many did.
-- His rooftop constitutes a mere speck on the hillside, and only a negligibly small number of leaves from mine or any other specific stand of trees might conceivably wind up there.
-- As for us "tree-owners", though there are some properties with a good number of tall & leafy trees, those are nothing -- nothing -- compared to the thousands of trees in the greenbelt and national park that surrounds us. I don't mean 'surrounds us' in a general, distant, figurative sense ("way over yonder there's rumoured be a wooded greenbelt somewhere"), but BAM!!! right beside us -- that wooded greenbelt. For many houses here, walk five paces north and you're in untamed wilderness. You may as well blame Mother Nature herself for the leaves on your roof.
-- Between my property and the neighbour's is at least one other, also with trees, and there are trees on the two properties adjoining that one as well. (Getting the picture? We have frickin' trees growing out our behinds up here.)
If someone won't bother checking their own roof after a big rainstorm, (and that's all it would have taken) and it leaks, that's nobody's fault but theirs. If someone doesn't want leaves falling on their property, then they should live in apartment-land, not in a house on a forested mountainside.
Look, the guy was being a bona fide jackass, plain and simple. I wasn't looking for a "thank you" from him, just being neighbourly. Instead, he threatens to sue me.  |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
If someone won't bother checking their own roof after a big rainstorm, (and that's all it would have taken) and it leaks, that's nobody's fault but theirs. If someone doesn't want leaves falling on their property, then they should live in apartment-land, not in a house on a forested mountainside.
Look, the guy was being a bona fide jackass, plain and simple. I wasn't looking for a "thank you" from him, just being neighbourly. Instead, he threatens to sue me.  |
You shouldn't have made him lose face like that. What a JA he truly is. You should've shoved a handful of leaves up his stupid ass and set them on fire. We have wonderful neighbours, too. I think we're slightly closer to ours than you are to yours. They decided to cut our fig tree down one day. Of course, they did it when both my wife and I were at work. That is, they did it in the sneakiest and most cowardly way. It seemed to disturb my wife much more than it did me. When we confronted them on it, they denied everything and then tried to turn the blame on me. "We see the foreigner bringing non-recyclables in black bags down to the curb." And I say, "Yes, you do see me bring black bags down on FRIDAY night. That is PLASTIC DAY. There are EMPTY PLASTIC BOTTLES in those BLACK BAGS, you STUPID F*CKS!" They countered with, "The tree brought mosquitos." "Yeah, right. Maybe your dirty lying asses brought the mosquitos," I replied. I added, "We'll be installing surveillance cameras and if we ever catch you on our property again, the police will be called." I also gave them both "the finger" and "the thumb" and will continue doing so with pleasure for the next year-and-a-half until we move out and into our new digs. They've been minding their p's and q's lately. We also propped the tree they cut down up against the wall between our properties for them to see every day. It'll remain there until we move. |
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