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P2P Networks - US Supreme court ruling

 
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rumpolestitskin



Joined: 12 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:52 pm    Post subject: P2P Networks - US Supreme court ruling Reply with quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4627679.stm

Not exactly the best news I've heard of recent from back in the real world. I'm just glad that there are other contries with different views of right and wrong.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn out the liiiights... the parrrrrtee's overrrrr.....
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the internet works as I think it does then nothing much will change. P2P's will just re-appear under new names. Bittorents won't change from their current up/down status.

You can't just press a button which will stop filesharing. That would mean shutting down the entire internet.

The party's not over. It will just move to that warehouse club with no sign in the dodgy part of town.
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post

Last edited by SHANE02 on Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:13 am; edited 1 time in total
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The surprise ruling could start a legal assault on the creators of file-sharing networks such as Grokster and Morpheus.



Most people (who hate viruses) have stopped using those two progs. a long time ago.
I dont see any end in site for bit torrent. The clients are mostly open source and as soon as one site is closed down many more spring up.

Bit torrent and Korean high speed internet ROCKS. 1.2 meg/sec Surprised download.
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Pangit



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Puet mo.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are they gonna do about IRC, Usenet and FTP, then? How about e-mail? How about the IP protocol itself? Nothing. That's right ... ain't nothin' gonna happen.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will just ramp up the lawsuits and new laws will come into effect that make it easy as pie for them to nail you. Right now they have to spend money to get people...I think this will change dramatically.

Something like a police ticket...they will just slap a pop-up or something onto your screen that will just say "You're busted!" and that will be that. Pay a fairly hefty fine to the local agency or go to court.

They will do their best to regulate this....no, they will never shut it down, but you bet your bottom dollar they will make it way more risky. Perhaps they will just get ISP logs and generate fines that way?

Is it a violation of our rights? Nope. We are breaking the law, like it or not.
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blunder1983



Joined: 12 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I like the ability to download music, films and games what i really use bt for is to download tv programmes, and I am at a loss to see the difference between my friend videoing a proggie and sending me the video or for him to stick it on bt and let me download it.

Take family guy for instance its a great show but i'm not gonna wait for season 4 to come out on dvd so i can watch it in korea, i'll download it for now and then buy it when it comes out.

Also can u get fined if ur in a country which doesnt recognise it as a crime, or just lets piracy happen with no repurcussions (china for example).

Reminds me of the awesome south park with napster. Now because people download music of the internet Puff Daddy will no longer be able to buy his 4 year old son an island in french polynesia.

Damn corporations.
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rumpolestitskin



Joined: 12 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:

Something like a police ticket...they will just slap a pop-up or something onto your screen that will just say "You're busted!" and that will be that. Pay a fairly hefty fine to the local agency or go to court.


A nice idea but with home users unknowingly sharing wireless connections via routers without knowing anything about security I'd don't think this would work. The person getting the message on screen would not be the person getting the subpeana. So the person freeloading bandwidth would not care about the pop up message.

It's going to be interesting to see what countries folliw the distorted US path.
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pangit wrote:
What are they gonna do about IRC, Usenet and FTP, then? How about e-mail? How about the IP protocol itself? Nothing. That's right ... ain't nothin' gonna happen.

They're not going to do anything about News Group Servers (NNTP). They've already been tested in the courts.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it will never be OVER!!!

from selling VHS dubs outside trainstations in the 80s. to dubbing cassetes with twin cassette decks,. to dubbing videos with two video players! to THE INTERNET!!! it just keeps getting easier and easier.
it benefits EVERYONES! why the F**K are the crying!
you dont see tom cruise or will smith not smiling.. they are still getting their 30 million dollars for the movie! the filom companies want to spend half there budget on stars well thats there PROBLEM!!! not ours!
paying someone 30million dollars for 3 months work is JUST STUPID!
they deserve to lose money on the films.. maybe they will wake up!
musicians.. well they should actually work for their money! get out and tour put on shows! and you will get paid!
movie executives! they can just get F***KED! let them cry. let them take it the supreme court! its NEVER EVER EVER gonna be shut down in this lifetime! so why even bother!!!
its a battle which can never be won! just like the war on drugs !!!!
the only real solution I see is charging people something like 5dollars on their ISP accounts everymonth, and opening torrent sites with fast downloads and better quality movies and then making money that way!
the only way the entertainment will save on some money is if they stop trying to shut it down.. but to think how they can make it work for everyone and get some money! and that doesnt mean opening sites and charging $1 per song! I mean like 5 bucks a month unlimited!
that will earn some money ! better than losing
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pangit wrote:
What are they gonna do about IRC, Usenet and FTP, then? How about e-mail? How about the IP protocol itself? Nothing. That's right ... ain't nothin' gonna happen.


I think what the court ruled was P2P technology was okay. However, companies like Grokster encouraged and knowingly profited from copyright infringements. When you basically tell your users to trade copyrighted material and then profit via banner ads, you can't claim any kind of common carrier or VCR-with-a-record-button status.

For example, if someone is on a window ledge and you shout "jump! jump! you got nothing to live for! do it ya fat loser!" and the person jumps... you can libel.
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FUBAR



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until the internet becomes fully regulated, I don't see a way how the government will be able to enforce any of the rulings. Even then, the biggest problem with regulating the internet also is its greatest strength: Global accessibility. All these guys need to do is set up servers or register their companies in countries that don't recognize US courts. (or other courts for the matter)
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with most of the posts here, but there is nothing to stop them from getting ISP logs and randomly nabbing people. The same with the RIAA....wwe will just play the game and hope not to be the ones bagged in their sweeps. This would all be fair game in the west.

Here in Korea, I have absolutely no fears at all of anything changing. We are allowed a degree of anonymity here not present in the west. There are just so many people online here, all doing these "illegal" activities, that we are not only a pin in the haystack, but a very thin one in a huge pile.

No, it won't stop anytime soon, but you can count on them trying to turn up the heat in various ways.
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mishlert



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are in Korea and the U.S. Supreme Court rulings don't affect us in any way; they decide on laws in the United States. This means that unless you are doing this on a military base or embassy in Korea, you have nothing to worry about.
Yes, it is illeagal here in Korea, but as of yet the Korean Supreme Court has not come down with the same ruling so no worries.
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