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Toyota chooses Canada because of illiterate Americans
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Toyota chooses Canada because of illiterate Americans Reply with quote

How embarrassing for Derrek...

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He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.


http://www.cbc.ca/cp/business/050630/b0630102.html

Too funny... Wasn't that Bush No Child Left Behind thing supposed to fix all that?
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desultude



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: Toyota chooses Canada because of illiterate Americans Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
How embarrassing for Derrek...

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He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.


http://www.cbc.ca/cp/business/050630/b0630102.html

Too funny... Wasn't that Bush No Child Left Behind thing supposed to fix all that?


Sad, yes, funny, hardly. Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are extremely poor states with a totally impoverised education system.

Businesses in the U.S., and the moneyed elites, have almost zero interest in the health and education of the workers there. Why take care of your own workers when you can export your jobs to Mexico and China, and India?

The deep south states of the U.S. are absolutely tragic.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada

A: Just to be devil's advocate... aren't we also $4 to $5 cheaper because our standard of living is lower, and because there's no jobs for educated people?

B: Our country is better because taxpayers pay for health care premiums instead of employers, so that we can wait eight months to get surgery?

Just some thoughts.
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are other places in the US besides the deep South. It looks like they intentionally picked one dismal place for the sole reason of dismissing the entire country just to draw away attention from the no healthcare cost issue in Canada and then picked Canada where labor has always been cheaper.
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guangho



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They picked the south because that is the one place in America where 1) Unions are dead, 2) the economy is so hard up the locals will take most any job and 3) the governments are such corporate whores they will do anything for a corporate entity.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They picked the south because that is the one place in America where 1) Unions are dead, 2) the economy is so hard up the locals will take most any job and 3) the governments are such corporate whores they will do anything for a corporate entity.


Just like Canada?
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Toyota chooses Canada because of illiterate Americans Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
How embarrassing for Derrek...

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He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.


http://www.cbc.ca/cp/business/050630/b0630102.html

Too funny... Wasn't that Bush No Child Left Behind thing supposed to fix all that?



Everybody tries to take pot-shots at you when you're #1. I'm not saying that to be a smart-ass. I'm saying that because everyone knows it's the truth.

If the US wasn't the top nation in the world, you guys wouldn't really give a rip about such situations as this. The US is #1 and you hate the US for that, among other things. It's a lot like high school: many hated the rich, good-looking kids who were the most "popular" while secretly wanted to be one of them.

Besides, Canada obviously has a lot of overeducated people who can't find work. Internationally, no country in the world exports more English teachers to the rest of the Earth than Canada, from what I've heard.
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endofthewor1d



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Toyota chooses Canada because of illiterate Americans Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
How embarrassing for Derrek...

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He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.



normally, i try to take an entirely objective view to what i read on the 'current events' forum. but this one mad eme laugh.

why? america = mississippi and alabama.

but what i really found funny was the "in addition" bit.
canadians are $4 to $5 dollars cheaper... they are trying to pass that off as a footnote, when it's clearly the primary (only) reason.

the only reason i commented on this is that you were using it to take a pot shot at derrek.

come now.... there's a lot of things you can b1tch about as far as the u.s. is concerned. is iraq too tiresome for you? maybe you should mention that jim carrey is from canada.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's sad, but in a way it is actually nice to be reminded that poverty and ignorance exist in the wealthiest nations too.


I think many Asians and other people would be dumbfounded to discover that there are so many Americans, Canadians, Germans, Japanese, etc... millions of people in the richest countries, that is, just getting by and struggling to make ends meet, to eat and live.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mithridates



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no, not those three. It's not true. Only #2. The others are in small numbers.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the original topic here, when a large company chooses one area over another, it often has more to do with local tax breaks and incentives. This is exactly what is going on.

Check out this line: In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.

I've seen companies WANT to locate to a certain area, not be allowed the massive/crazy tax breaks and economic incentives they demand, then see them lash out in the local press -- or the press in the other city -- sort of like a 3 year-old crying that they didn't get the sucker they wanted from mom at the grocery store.

More likely than anything, this company couldn't get the breaks they demanded from the US area they wanted to locate in. They went with another option.

Also, look at the area and WHAT they are trying to employ. In the deep south, they're probably trying to employ Mexicans and people who would work for next-to-nothing. They need pictures to show the non-English speaking crowd. I'm sorry, but the dumbest of the dumb English-speaking Southern person is not as stupid as this add makes it seem.

Also, why wouldn't Honda or Nissan relocate elsewhere in the USA where the education level is higher? Again, it's down to money and incentives. No American location would probably give them the crazy tax breaks/etc. they are asking for. A Canadian city would.

Look at how many car companies have set up shop in Mexico. Do you see them complaining about having to show photos to the locals there, because they don't speak English? If this were really the case, they wouldn't be there, would they?

This story is all about money and economic breaks and how much they have to pay workers. The pot-shot at Southern intelligence is EXACTLY what I said above: Nissan and Honda not getting the sucker from mom at the grocery store, and crying about it.
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Beej



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So educated Canadian workers are payed 5 less an hour than illiterate workers from the States. That's not exactly something Cananda should be proud of.
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Gord



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beej wrote:
So educated Canadian workers are payed 5 less an hour than illiterate workers from the States. That's not exactly something Cananda should be proud of.


Not paid less, but rather that a base medical plan does not have to be subsidized at a much higher dollar amount. In B.C., a base medical plan costs $40 a month or so while the same plan in the U.S. would cost several hundred. It's not money the worker would have ever seen.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Toyota chooses Canada because of illiterate Americans Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
The US is #1 and you hate the US for that, among other things. It's a lot like high school: many hated the rich, good-looking kids who were the most "popular" while secretly wanted to be one of them.


It's more like people feel a need to level criticism at the world's last self-professed super power. I'm sorry but when you're a nuclear armed nation and can project military power around the globe and you show a willingness to project such power every three years and your president takes the bible as his ultimate moral authority and he bases his policies to appeal not to the citizens in New York or California or the EU but to voters in places like Alabama and Mississippi and you produce 25% of the world's green house gases and you're the world's largest economy and your president makes global economic/environmental decisions based on what's best for red state voters and you launch an illegal invasion of an oil rich nation based on lies and you threaten to do it to other people, well, no surprises people around the globe like to offer an opinion about the USA and that opinion isn't always favorable.
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