|
Korean Job Discussion Forums "The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
|
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: Questions about 'The Godfather' |
|
|
I've seen 'The Godfather' perhaps two dozen times, and it's one of my favorite movies. But no matter how many times I watch it, there are 3 questions that I've never been able to answer, even by searching www.imdb.com.
They are:
1) Michael becomes the godfather of Connie and Carlo's baby, who is a newborn at the end of the film. But Connie's pregnant over three years earlier when Michael is exiled in Sicily. And at the time of the baby's christening, Michael already has a three year-old son, Anthony. This makes no sense. Perhaps Michael's godson is their second child, but no reference is made in the film to their first. It's been nearly five years since I've seen Parts II and III, but I don't recall Connie having more than one child. Am I forgetting someone?
2) When Michael has the sit-down with Solazzo and McCluskey, the crooked police chief, Solazzo tells McCluskey he should order the veal because it's "the best in the city." Almost immediately afterward we see McCluskey tucking in to his meal. That's what I call quick service! There are a few more shots of McCluskey cutting up his food, though neither Michael nor Solazzo have any food in front of them. And when McCluskey is shot, I believe he has a napkin around his neck. I've never found any evidence of a continuity error here. Am I missing something?
3) This is a strange one. When Kay visits the Corleone compound to drop off a message for Michael, she asks Tom what happened to a car we can see in the backround. The car is missing a door. Tom replies, smiling, "oh that? There was an accident, but luckily nobody was hurt." I've never been able to figure this one out.
Drinks are on me for the first person who can answer or clarify two or more of these questions.
Sparkles*_* |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Badmojo

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
|
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Questions about 'The Godfather' |
|
|
Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
I've seen 'The Godfather' perhaps two dozen times, and it's one of my favorite movies. But no matter how many times I watch it, there are 3 questions that I've never been able to answer, even by searching www.imdb.com.
They are:
1) Michael becomes the godfather of Connie and Carlo's baby, who is a newborn at the end of the film. But Connie's pregnant over three years earlier when Michael is exiled in Sicily. And at the time of the baby's christening, Michael already has a three year-old son, Anthony. This makes no sense. Perhaps Michael's godson is their second child, but no reference is made in the film to their first. It's been nearly five years since I've seen Parts II and III, but I don't recall Connie having more than one child. Am I forgetting someone?
2) When Michael has the sit-down with Solazzo and McCluskey, the crooked police chief, Solazzo tells McCluskey he should order the veal because it's "the best in the city." Almost immediately afterward we see McCluskey tucking in to his meal. That's what I call quick service! There are a few more shots of McCluskey cutting up his food, though neither Michael nor Solazzo have any food in front of them. And when McCluskey is shot, I believe he has a napkin around his neck. I've never found any evidence of a continuity error here. Am I missing something?
3) This is a strange one. When Kay visits the Corleone compound to drop off a message for Michael, she asks Tom what happened to a car we can see in the backround. The car is missing a door. Tom replies, smiling, "oh that? There was an accident, but luckily nobody was hurt." I've never been able to figure this one out.
Drinks are on me for the first person who can answer or clarify two or more of these questions.
Sparkles*_* |
Number one is a good observation. Let's see, she's pregnant when Mike's in Italy. The christening happens when he's back in America and it's got to be at least three or four years since he's been back because, as you said, he has a three year old son. In the second Godfather, I clearly remember Vito's wife talking to Connie and saying, "See your children first." So that christening has to be a second child.
Number two, I don't think Mike or Sollozzo ordered any food. Still, you're right, that veal came fast, and I don't know when McCluskey put on that napkin.
Number three, I always assumed that was a garroting. Wasn't the windshield kicked in too? Someone bit it in that car like Carlo did at the end. If you remember he started kicking in the front window. Either way, I think you can assume someone died in that car and the smirk on the lawyer's face - well, that was an accident, but no one was hurt - speaks louder than his words. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
mishlert

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
|
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
For number 1, I found this:
In a vivid death scene among the tomato plants in 1954, the Don plays with Michael's three year old son Anthony, his grandchild. He teaches Anthony how to use a spray can, and then scares him by putting a sliced piece of orange peel in his mouth and pretending to be a grotesque boogey monster. [The suggestion is that he is a monster underneath his grandfatherly figure.] He comforts his frightened grandson in his arms. While running with the boy in the garden, the Don suffers a fatal heart attack. His funeral is attended by family mourners and rival gang member Barzini. Following the service, turncoat Sal Tessio whispers in Michael's ear that "Barzini wants to arrange a meeting (to) straighten any of our problems out."
In the final extraordinary baptism scene, probably occurring in 1955, Michael acts as godfather at the christening of his sister Connie's (and Carlo's) child, his nephew and namesake. [The infant in the scene is director Coppola's daughter Sofia Coppola in an uncredited role.] The scene brilliantly crosscuts back and forth from the church to locations throughout the city as gangland murders are orchestrated. With controlled intensity, Michael engineers a cold-blooded mass killing of Barzini, Tattaglia, Greene and all other rival gangleaders of the Five Families to settle the "Family business." While methodically committing the series of vicious and bloody counterattack murders to confirm his position as the new godfather, he is at the church altar listening to holy recitations of the priest during the baptism - in juxtaposed scenes.
Source |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Badmojo

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
|
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
mishlert wrote: |
In the final extraordinary baptism scene, probably occurring in 1955, Michael acts as godfather at the christening of his sister Connie's (and Carlo's) child, his nephew and namesake. |
1955 is 10 years after the movie begins in 1945.
And while we're on this topic, who can answer this for me? Here's one thing I never understood. The movie starts with Connie's wedding on a beautiful sunny day. It looks like summer. Everybody's wearing dresses outside like it's nothing.
On that day Tom says they have to arrange a meeting with Solozzo next week. The wedding ends, he goes to LA, comes back and they meet Solozzo. After that, The Don tells Luca he wants him to meet the Tattalia family. Then it's Christmas all of a sudden? Four months pass? No way Luca waited that long to meet Tattalia and no way Solozzo waited that long to hit the Don. That's another messed up part of that movie. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
|
|
Back to top |
|
 |
joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
|
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
I never saw a GODFATHER movie but the book was quite enjoyable. Did you guys think to check the book(s) for the answers? That would probably have made more sense. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
|
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: |
|
|
joe_doufu wrote: |
I never saw a GODFATHER movie but the book was quite enjoyable. Did you guys think to check the book(s) for the answers? That would probably have made more sense. |
I don't think the book would explain the McCluskey question...and since you've read it yourself, how's about tossing me a bone, huh?
PS - There's a Corleone family tree on the bonus material for the trilogy DVD. On it, it shows that Connie and Carlo did in fact have two children. It's a relief to learn that Connie's gestation period didn't last four years...which, coincidentally, is one year shorter than my wife's.
Sparkles*_* |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Greekfreak

Joined: 25 May 2003
|
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
Although the movies are absolute perfection, the book isn't all that shabby. The Jules/Lucy subplot in Las Vegas isn't dealt with at all, and I agree with Coppola for dropping it from the movie, although it could have been fleshed out a bit more if only to make the arrival of Andy Garcia as Sonny's illegitimate son less jarring.
I picked up some pirate copies of I, II, and III in Thailand a few years back and since then refrained from buying the set, although the extras contained within are worth having, if you're a cinephile. My only beef with Korea-manufactured DVDs is that a lot of the material is in Korean.
For example, the text interview with Jean-Jacques Beneix on the extended cut of "Le Matin" is in Korean. I can read Korean, but I know it's not translated properly. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
|
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Questions about 'The Godfather' |
|
|
Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
2) When Michael has the sit-down with Solazzo and McCluskey, the crooked police chief, Solazzo tells McCluskey he should order the veal because it's "the best in the city." Almost immediately afterward we see McCluskey tucking in to his meal. That's what I call quick service! There are a few more shots of McCluskey cutting up his food, though neither Michael nor Solazzo have any food in front of them. And when McCluskey is shot, I believe he has a napkin around his neck. I've never found any evidence of a continuity error here. Am I missing something?
|
thats because michael never orders he isnt staying long he is there to chat! Solazzo was already there and had already ordered..
MC CLUSKEY tell him he should order the veal ... but he had already ordered something else..
maybe???
I really cant remember either. I havent seen it for a couple years myself |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
|
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Questions about 'The Godfather' |
|
|
itaewonguy wrote: |
Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
2) When Michael has the sit-down with Solazzo and McCluskey, the crooked police chief, Solazzo tells McCluskey he should order the veal because it's "the best in the city." Almost immediately afterward we see McCluskey tucking in to his meal. That's what I call quick service! There are a few more shots of McCluskey cutting up his food, though neither Michael nor Solazzo have any food in front of them. And when McCluskey is shot, I believe he has a napkin around his neck. I've never found any evidence of a continuity error here. Am I missing something?
|
thats because michael never orders he isnt staying long he is there to chat! Solazzo was already there and had already ordered..
|
Solazzo, Michael and McCluskey all enter the restaurant together and sit down at the same time.
Sparkles*_* |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
|
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
It a good movie, but don't take the movie seriously.
I like some of the comments and scenes in the Godfather Trilogy such as:
1) "I am dishonored to deny I am a criminlal"
2) "Never let anyone outside the family know how you think"
3) "Be close to your friends but closer to your enemies"
4) "I will give him an offer he cannot refuse"
There are many more, provide some famous Godfather quotes here. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
shortskirt_longjacket

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
|
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
1. Dunno. Excellent question, never thought about it.
2. I always took it that the two Italians were there to talk business, and only the moron Police captain is eating because he's a donkey and doesn't understand the importance of the meeting. I think it underscores him as a physical and stupid character.
3. They're at war when Kay comes to see Tom. I always just assumed some bad shit happened in the car because of the war and then it was towed back to the house. I'm not sure it's an allusion to any event in particular, but rather just touches on the level of violence while Michael is away in Sicily.
My personal thoughts, of course, but I feel good about 3. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Dan

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Sunny Glendale, CA
|
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
The WORST scene in the entire movie is when Sonny beats the crap out of the husband, and you can clearly see they are making no contact whatsoever.
I hated that so much. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
|
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Dan wrote: |
The WORST scene in the entire movie is when Sonny beats the crap out of the husband, and you can clearly see they are making no contact whatsoever.
I hated that so much. |
One punch clearly doesn't land, but the others are pretty well choreographed. Same thing happens in 'Oldboy,' and probably a million other films.
Sparkles*_* |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Dan

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Sunny Glendale, CA
|
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
Dan wrote: |
The WORST scene in the entire movie is when Sonny beats the crap out of the husband, and you can clearly see they are making no contact whatsoever.
I hated that so much. |
One punch clearly doesn't land, but the others are pretty well choreographed. Same thing happens in 'Oldboy,' and probably a million other films.
Sparkles*_* |
No way dude. When I first saw it, it looked so fake, I thought they were staging a fight in the movie. Ugh, that scene gets on my nerves so much. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|