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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: Questions for Muslims |
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1. Where is the body of Jesus buried?
2. Where is the body of Mohammad buried? |
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bignate

Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Location: Hell's Ditch
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Questions for Muslims |
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Derrek wrote: |
1. Where is the body of Jesus buried?
2. Where is the body of Mohammad buried? |
In the ground? |
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Questions for Muslims |
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Derrek wrote: |
1. Where is the body of Jesus buried?
2. Where is the body of Mohammad buried? |
Question for Christians (of the conservative type): Why does the resurrection matter so much? Any good religion is about life, not about death. Focusing on the bodily resurrection draws too much attention to the afterlife, and not enough to the here and now. And please, no more mention about Evidence that Demands a Verdict. I've read it twice.
Peace,
Daniel |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Please answer the question.... |
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JacktheCat

Joined: 08 May 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not a Muslim or a Christian, but from my understanding of the religions ...
They are not buried anywhere, they both ascended bodily into heaven.
Muslims agree that Jesus was a prophet of God, they just disagree about his divinity. (as do Unitarians) |
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broken
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: answer to your question |
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okay, one of my majors is theology, so I think I can shed some light on your question. The resurrection has a lot of emphasis because, Jesus became incarnate(acquired a human body) in order to relate to the people better, now after he died ( that signifies our death, because we all die eventually, and in sin) when he resurrected ( this signified new beginnings ,so sins are now forgiven) in christianity, when one becomes a Christian , it is called born again, hence, becoming cleansed from the old life, (which is living for your self) but when born again becoming a new person which is to live for God. This does not mean that the person belives they don't sin, but that they recognize they are sinners, but through Christ gain forgiveness. Hope that helps you. |
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: answer to your question |
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broken wrote: |
okay, one of my majors is theology, so I think I can shed some light on your question. The resurrection has a lot of emphasis because, Jesus became incarnate(acquired a human body) in order to relate to the people better, now after he died ( that signifies our death, because we all die eventually, and in sin) when he resurrected ( this signified new beginnings ,so sins are now forgiven) in christianity, when one becomes a Christian , it is called born again, hence, becoming cleansed from the old life, (which is living for your self) but when born again becoming a new person which is to live for God. This does not mean that the person belives they don't sin, but that they recognize they are sinners, but through Christ gain forgiveness. Hope that helps you. |
I know the party line - I have a Bachelors and Masters in Religion (from conservative evangelical seminaries). And I come from a Southern Baptist background. But I think the point of the gospels is not death and resurrection (at least from Jesus' point of view), but doing your best to live a righteous (taking care of orphans and widows) life. Sorry, OP, for the digression.
Peace,
Daniel |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have much specific knowledge about Mohammed, but generally "prophets" and "spiritual masters" (like Jesus) are empowered to do "God's" work in the material world. A great soul or "mahatma" is protected by the (divine) spiritual energy of the Supreme Person and can absorb the sinful reactions of sincere followers. Universal gurus on the highest level (like Jesus) are fully empowered with all mystic perfections and occasionally (when necessary) display "miracles" to convince followers. By some accounts, Jesus traveled and preached in parts of India as a young man and quickly mastered the mystic yoga system. The "Aquarian Gospel of Jesus" (which I vaguely recall reading amidst a cloud of incense smoke circa 1970) gives some info about Jesus in India. Another understanding of the Crucifixion and Resurection is that Jesus, always protected by Divine energy, was completely absorbed in mystic yogic trance or samadhi after he was nailed to the cross. Because his breathing was almost imperceptible, he was mis-diagnosed as having died. Regaining external consciousness in his tomb, he broke out, wrapped up his difficult mission of trying to elevate predominantly barbaric, low-class desert-dwellers and eventually returned to India where he continued to preach (among more civilized people) and was known as Isis. There is still a shrine to "Isis" in Kashmir - where he is said to have passed away, and I have read that there is reference to this in the archives of the Russian Orthodox Church...I'm not a Biblical scholar, and obviously, some of what I have conveyed here is patched together with hearsay and philosophical speculation, but based on my study of Vedic spiritual science, I'm more inclined to accept this version of events than "official" church dogma. |
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trigger123

Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Location: TALKING TO STRANGERS, IN A BETTER PLACE
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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posted in the general discussion forum i can understand, but posted in the current events forum?
i think derrek might be fishing.... |
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matthewwoodford

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Location, location, location.
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Questions for Muslims |
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seoulunitarian wrote: |
Question for Christians (of the conservative type): Why does the resurrection matter so much? Any good religion is about life, not about death. Focusing on the bodily resurrection draws too much attention to the afterlife, and not enough to the here and now. And please, no more mention about Evidence that Demands a Verdict. I've read it twice.
Peace,
Daniel |
I'm having trouble understanding how you can possibly ask this, let alone answer it. If death means nothing to you what do you know about life? |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Out of curiosity, how man Muslims are there reading this board who could answer this? |
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Questions for Muslims |
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matthewwoodford wrote: |
seoulunitarian wrote: |
Question for Christians (of the conservative type): Why does the resurrection matter so much? Any good religion is about life, not about death. Focusing on the bodily resurrection draws too much attention to the afterlife, and not enough to the here and now. And please, no more mention about Evidence that Demands a Verdict. I've read it twice.
Peace,
Daniel |
I'm having trouble understanding how you can possibly ask this, let alone answer it. If death means nothing to you what do you know about life? |
I don't remember ever saying that death means nothing to me. The point I made was that life is more important than death - to the average person and to Christ. Anyone who reads the entire gospels can plainly see that Jesus focused much more on how to live a good life rather than how to die a good death. Death was a given for him, and is a given for anyone else. What people remember is our life.
Peace,
Daniel |
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the saint

Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Location: not there yet...
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Questions for Muslims |
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[quote="seoulunitarian"]
matthewwoodford wrote: |
seoulunitarian wrote: |
Question for Christians (of the conservative type): Why does the resurrection matter so much? Any good religion is about life, not about death. Focusing on the bodily resurrection draws too much attention to the afterlife, and not enough to the here and now. And please, no more mention about Evidence that Demands a Verdict. I've read it twice.
Peace,
Daniel |
I'm having trouble understanding how you can possibly ask this, let alone answer it. If death means nothing to you what do you know about life? |
I don't get your point (nor the one about appending every post with peace). You query a, if not the, tenet of the Christian faith and then talk about a focus on life. If the resurrection is not a focus on life, then nothing is. Put simply, life after resurrection is the real life. 'Life' before it pales... even Christ's.
You also miss the point of the resurrection. This life is not an afterlife. It is a here and now life. This resurrection is not a resurrection of the dead body, it is a resurrection of the dead spirit of man. Just so you can see where I'm getting this from, though I'm sure you've read it before, have another go at Romans 6-8 and note the verb tenses (yes, check the Greek). There is reading and there is understanding which, as Christ was apt to point out the Pharisees and others, are quite different things.
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the saint

Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Location: not there yet...
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Questions for Muslims |
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seoulunitarian wrote: |
Death was a given for [Christ], |
Ah no, not so. Again, this shows quite a serious misunderstanding of who Christ is. Death, as he demonstrated, holds no mastery over him. But of course, to show this, as well as for other monumental reasons, he undertook to lay down his life. But a given? If so, Gethsemane was a farce. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Out of curiosity, how man Muslims are there reading this board who could answer this? |
Most of them, if there are any actual muslims who read this board. He is buried in Medina.
Not really sure what the point of the question is. |
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