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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: New Blacklist Website |
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I have an idea, and wonder if any others here are interested in helping. Some of the hogwan stories on this site just make me plain angry. I have only had good experiences (at one hogwan and my public school now), but to help those in harsher situations, I'd like to start a new, really good website which blatantly exposes dishonest hogwans in Korea. I want it at the top of all search engines when a Korea hogwan search is submitted. Anyone want to help?
Peace,
Daniel |
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Mr. Literal
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Location: Third rock from the Sun.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Such websites already exist, though I don't know if they appear first during a web search. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Literal wrote: |
| Such websites already exist, though I don't know if they appear first during a web search. |
I know they already exist, but their layout leaves a lot to be desired. I want to do it well.
Daniel |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Instead of worrying about a new layout on an old broken formula, why don't you try approaching it from a new angle and perhaps something more credible. Like having a rule that states that all blacklists must also submit to you the contact info for the school, plus a 3rd party witness. You don't have to discuss that publicly, but make a note on the site for all job-seekers, that that information can be provided via email for someone that wants to check out the legitimacy of the blacklist. There's too much malicious riff-raff as it is, and another vanilla blacklist will not address the problem of misinfo that is prevalent in this industry.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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As soon as I leave I've got an addition for the blacklist:
"Korea." |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Mr. Literal wrote: |
| Such websites already exist, though I don't know if they appear first during a web search. |
I know they already exist, but their layout leaves a lot to be desired. I want to do it well.
Daniel |
Who'd be willing or even able (consider the logistics, seriously) to keep it updated and useful? How valuable would a compendium of old hagwon horror stories be? And in an industry where these things pop up, move location, change names, change ownership, and disappear week by week, "old" means last week.
CrazyLemonGirl, in her recent sticky-worthy thread about hagwons vs. public schools, says something like "Good hagwons can go bad, bad hagwons can go bust". It should be added that this can happen practically overnight.
I think any attempt is worth a try, but this Consumer Reports or epinions approach works when you're dealing with established manufacturers who aren't going anywhere real soon, like Hyundai Motors or Samsung Electronics. If they turn out crap product, people rip it apart on the Net. They can't run & hide, or set up shop under a new name so as to continue screwing the "customer" (foreign teachers).
Or have I got it all wrong and this is really an effective solution to the problem? That although it's been done before, it wasn't effective because the website layouts sucked?
Chronic, you seem to know this industry from the outside in and the inside out. What would it take to clean up shop? A massive dose of govenment regulation? More web-based angry-expat whistle-blowing? I'm generally for free markets & unfettered commerce, but the Korean hagwon business seems beyond repair. In fact, no country has made me doubt my capitalist credentials more than Korea has, and the hagwon industry is probably one of the best examples why. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: re: |
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Some good things to think about. I did not consider the speed with which things change in the hagwon industry. Hmm... Maybe you're right about a new website just taking up needless space.
Peace,
Daniel |
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rumpolestitskin
Joined: 12 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Just because the industry is constantly changing does not mean that it can't be done. Hell its allready is done, and I'd go as far as to agree that it's not done very well. At the very least there should be a searchable list.
The list could be made that after so many days/months/years an entry was removed or archived off.
Now I'm saying that it's going to be 100% accurate, but it's going to be at least as accurate as what there allready is. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: re: |
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| anyone here with web developing skills wanna help? i'll pay for the hosting and submission services. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Chronic, you seem to know this industry from the outside in and the inside out. What would it take to clean up shop? A massive dose of govenment regulation? More web-based angry-expat whistle-blowing? I'm generally for free markets & unfettered commerce, but the Korean hagwon business seems beyond repair. In fact, no country has made me doubt my capitalist credentials more than Korea has, and the hagwon industry is probably one of the best examples why. |
Sure, I've got a big list of what would work on paper, but given that the root issue is the cultural tendency to bend rules and cut corners to achieve the competitive edge over the next guy, in virtually every facet of society here, thorough execution of the most well-intended plans would be tremendously moot, regardless of how lofty and ambitious any particular foreigner may be, when these same ideas get hatched and subsequently collapsed on a cyclical basis, every couple of months. I know I'm preaching to the converted, on this point.  |
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