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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: The squeeze to find teachers for camps is serious Reply with quote

Well, according to my recruiter friends, it's really tough to find teachers to work all of the camps being offered this summer.

Some camps are getting pretty desperate, the way it sounds. If you are thinking of signing up for a camp at the last minute, you MAY be able to get some extra cash incentive if you push for it.

I am guessing that the reasons for lack of teachers are:

1. Immigration crackdown scaring off teachers from doing these illegally, where they would have chanced it in the past. Of course, the camps started looking TOO LATE, as usual, so there isn't time to get the legal paperwork done.

2. Too many teachers working Public school jobs, without a long enough summer break to work a camp, have depleted the work pool.

3. Several "mega camps" by places like Yonsei are sucking up as many as 50 foreign teachers per camp.
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: The squeeze to find teachers for camps is serious Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:

3. Several "mega camps" by places like Yonsei are sucking up as many as 50 foreign teachers per camp.


So many teachers, makes you wonder if they all can be legal. I really doubt it though.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: The squeeze to find teachers for camps is serious Reply with quote

inkoreaforgood wrote:
Derrek wrote:

3. Several "mega camps" by places like Yonsei are sucking up as many as 50 foreign teachers per camp.


So many teachers, makes you wonder if they all can be legal. I really doubt it though.

Perfect time for mounted immigration raids, wouldn't you say? Men on horseback crashing through the gates of these "camps", children, teachers and administrators scampering hither & thither.

When I hear "camps", I don't think "work camps" or detention centres like those in North Korea, and some that used to exist in South Korea. Rather, I see children learning to pitch tents using English, fishing in mountain streams, hiking along nature trails and learning to identify the flora & fauna and interesting rock formations as they go in English, lazy afternoons up the swimming hole, long nights sitting around the campfire singing silly songs and telling ghosty stories in English. That's "English Camp" for me. Well, for them.

Is that about how these things operate? I'm sure that's what the mommies want. And in Korea, as we all know:
WHAT MOMMY WANTS, MOMMY GETS, GAWDDAMMIT!! Evil or Very Mad

How much does a place like that charge? I mean one like I've just described?


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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The squeeze to find teachers for camps is serious Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
inkoreaforgood wrote:
Derrek wrote:

3. Several "mega camps" by places like Yonsei are sucking up as many as 50 foreign teachers per camp.


So many teachers, makes you wonder if they all can be legal. I really doubt it though.

Perfect time for mounted immigration raids, wouldn't you say? Men on horseback crashing through the gates of these "camps", children, teachers and administrators scampering hither & thither.

When I hear "camps", I don't think "work camps" or detention centres like those in North Korea, and some that used to exist in South Korea. Rather, I see children learning to pitch tents using English, fishing in mountain streams, hiking along nature trails and learning to identify the flora & fauna and interesting rock formations as they go in English, lazy afternoons up the swimming hole, long nights sitting around the campfire singing silly songs and telling ghosty stories in English. That's "English Camp" for me. Well, for them.

Is that about how these things operate? I'm sure that's what the mommies want. And in Korea, WHAT MOMMY WANTS, MOMMY GETS, GAWDDAMMIT!! Evil or Very Mad



I don't know about the overnight camps at places like Jeju, but they differ. Most "camps" are nothing more than regular classes held for different (or longer) periods of time in the same location.

Kind of lame. I think they call it a "camp" to imply some sort of immersion or extensive study -- thus making it more attractive to adults.

At my high school camp, I teach one class per day for 2 hours. Then rotate to another class the next day. I only have 15 kids in each class, which is great, because it gives me more of a chance to make them talk and do role-play, for example.
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JongnoGuru



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Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The squeeze to find teachers for camps is serious Reply with quote

Gollum wrote:
I don't know about the overnight camps at places like Jeju, but they differ. Most "camps" are nothing more than regular classes held for different (or longer) periods of time in the same location.

Kind of lame. I think they call it a "camp" to imply some sort of immersion or extensive study -- thus making it more attractive to adults.

Ah. See, were it me, I'd send the little tykes on endurance-testing survival marches, put them in canoes and shove them off waterfalls, deposit them atop the highest, craggiest mountain peaks by helicopter, give them a canteen of Jinro, and tell them dinner's served in three hours at the foot of the mountain, and "Don't be late! Mad" <-- But you'd be saying that in English, because it's English Camp.
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Grotto



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1. Immigration crackdown scaring off teachers from doing these illegally, where they would have chanced it in the past. Of course, the camps started looking TOO LATE, as usual, so there isn't time to get the legal paperwork done.


Not true. The paperwork is minimum. Simply a copy of the contract and your ARC card and a trip to immigration. 30k later you are signed sealed and legal.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
Quote:
1. Immigration crackdown scaring off teachers from doing these illegally, where they would have chanced it in the past. Of course, the camps started looking TOO LATE, as usual, so there isn't time to get the legal paperwork done.


Not true. The paperwork is minimum. Simply a copy of the contract and your ARC card and a trip to immigration. 30k later you are signed sealed and legal.


50,000. That's what they asked me to pay, in stamps. Of course the camp called and cancelled right after I got the stamps.

Last year, Omokyo immigration told me to wait 10 days, but finished it in one. But Harpeau (not sure which office he uses) said they had his done the same day this year.

BTW, by not having enough time, I mean that I'm getting desperate calls from camps that literally start the next day. Not enough time to get it all done. Also, getting the approval paper from my boss inside of 2 days can be a challenge.
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Grotto



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh that makes sense then.

Makes me laugh though.

Korean 1. Gee lets do a summer English camp. We can make good money doing that.

Korean 2. Hey thats a great idea.

K1. Okay we can hold it here, it will run from AugX-X we will charge lots of money.

K2. Excellent we are all ready for it then.

K1. Lets sign up the students and get the money(small voice pipes up from out of the blue...wont you need an foreigner) Hmmm naaahhh we can get one no problem we will worry about that later.

Time passes

K2 Hey the camp starts in two days.

K1. yup we got 5 groups of 10 students signed up all paying 400,000 won for the 2 week camp. Thats 10,000,000 for me and 10,000,000 for you.

K2. excellent

K1. So did you get a FT?

K2 No I thought you did

K1. ahh no problem we can get a FT no problem they are a dime a dozen.

camp arrives no FT, parents angrily demand money back

K1 and K2 drown sorrows in bottles of soju.

Hey next year we should have a bigger camp that way we can make even more money Rolling Eyes Laughing Laughing

And the cycle repeats Laughing
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out this camp. They have desperately called me 3 days in a row, and I have flat-out said "NO" to them every day. Why? Because you are expected to be there ALL DAY, stay overnight, and essentially "work" all day, but are only paid for working 5 hours!

GIVE ME A EFFIN BREAK!!!!!!

Just how stupid do some Korean bosses think we are??? This one is in Pyungtaek. They have an identical camp on Jeju, but for 2 weeks worth of pay for this same scheduled hell. I calculated the hours. IF you are getting the full 900,000 won because you have an E-2 already, you're making about 10,000 won per hour because you are at this camp 14.5 hours per day! You teach about 5 hours, but really do you think you'd be doing NOTHING the other hours??? For a Korean boss??? HAHAHAHHA!

If they paid me 2 million for one week, AND made it legal, I'd consider it.



Pyungtaek Camp: 1 week (July 24-Aug.30)
Location: Pyungtaek University
Payment: $700 + 200,000 won additionally
(in case of E-2 visa)
Start on Jul. 24 afternoon and end on Jul.30
morning.


Here is the camp schedule:

Daily camp schedule:

07:30 checking unit campers�� rooms for
roll call
- 07:50 taking unit campers to Cafeteria
- 08:00-08:30 Breakfast with unit campers
- 08:30-08:50 checking unit box & preparing the
class
- 08:50 moving to unit classroom with campers
- 09:00-12:00 English class (break: 09:50-10:00 /
10:50-11:00)
- 12:00 taking unit campers to Cafeteria
- 12:00-12:30 Lunch with unit campers
- 12:30-14:00 Free time
- 14:00 Meeting at the activity place
- 14:00-17:00 camp activity
- 17:00 taking unit campers to Cafeteria
- 17:00-17:30 Dinner with unit campers
- 17:50 taking unit campers to the unit
classroom or small assembly


- 18:00-20:00 evening class
- 20:00 moving to dorm
- 20:00 staff meeting
- 21:00 roll-call at every room
- 22:00 checking unit campers�� rooms
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

derrek wrote:
Payment: $700 + 200,000 won additionally
(in case of E-2 visa)

What happens if you don't have an E2 visa????
-There is an alarm bell right there
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
derrek wrote:
Payment: $700 + 200,000 won additionally
(in case of E-2 visa)

What happens if you don't have an E2 visa????
-There is an alarm bell right there


They can get a temporary work visa... C7? I forget the designation.

But they have to fly to Japan to get it.

But yeah, I fully expect these camps to get nailed. One of them on Jeju, run by Yonsei, I believe, is trying to hire 50 teachers. Now what are the odds that more than half of them are even legally able to work here?
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StephPoet



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried all summer to get a camp job, and never got one. I'm in the U.S. though.

Next year I'll be in SK and my friend wants a summer camp job so he can earn some money and visit me...any tips on getting him a job? I'm thinking if I directly mention him to my school (if they do it) or others in the area that'll help? We definitely want to do this. He has a good job in the U.S. during the year but is off summers and winters. Thanks!

Steph
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he works hard, he'll make enough to pay off his $1,500+ RT plane flight to Korea from the USA.

That's what it's costing to go to the Midwest USA, anyway, this time of year.
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Zenpickle



Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer camps?

I'm having a tough time finding foreign teachers for a regular teaching job. And I'm offering single housing with a separate living room, etc.

geez...

(gripe, complain, grumble)
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zenpickle wrote:
Summer camps?

I'm having a tough time finding foreign teachers for a regular teaching job. And I'm offering single housing with a separate living room, etc.
geez...

(gripe, complain, grumble)

The topic of a better thread, I'd say...

"Are Foreign Teachers Just Too Damn Picky for their Own Good"?
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