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The Difference Between Them and Us

 
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:09 am    Post subject: The Difference Between Them and Us Reply with quote

The states are creating post bac teaching programs to meet the demand for new teachers and generally you can meet the requirements by taking six undergraduate degree classes. I'm quite certain that I, as a human will not change after six classes. My teaching skills will likely improve or at least I'll be aware of how I am failing but these requirements are...

You have to go along to get along but the mystery of the difference between us and them has been solved for me.
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d503



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Location: Daecheong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just so you know those programs aren't usually teaching degrees, they are teaching certificates. Usually they are in what your Bac degree was in. Most people I know who do them are language majors, so it qualifies you to teach them. They seem to be for people who will be teaching in a specific field.
There is a big difference between them and an actual major in education. People who major in education tend to be going for primary to intermediate and will be required to do more than teach one subject.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess this is all news to me. So please explain what it means to a guy like me, who graduated with a major in Journalism/Electronic Media (TV/Radio) and minor in English.

Are you saying that I could take these courses and somehow be "certified" to teach? Is this a new thing? Where could I teach with such a certification?

Am wondering if this could be used to up my pay scale here, and technically, earn me a "certified teacher" status in Korea.

Thanks
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek, your pay will go up but not by much although your recognition and acceptance will go up much higher.

I got inspired to look into this after some recruitment emails from Taiwan
Seems the Taiwans are only accepting certificates. I think long term, the Koreans will be doing this too.

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We are here happy to announce that the Ministry of Education,Taiwan has released a great opportunity for Qualified English Teachers to join our public school system in Taiwan, ROC for the 2006 academic year.

The government will start processing your work permit before you fly to Taiwan. You will sign a contract and be appointed to a school and guaranteed a job prior to your arrival.

According to Administrative divisions, we have listed all positions open at http://www.iacc.com.tw/jobs.htm .

Our requirements are:

1.) English native speaker from Canada , USA , New Zealand , Australia , or UK .
2.) Bachelors Degree.
3.) Government recognized Teacher's Certificate (Others than TESOL, CELTA or TOEFL).

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d503



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Location: Daecheong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also a lot of times it will qualify you for subbing and teaching in the states.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
I got inspired to look into this after some recruitment emails from Taiwan
Seems the Taiwans are only accepting certificates. I think long term, the Koreans will be doing this too.


Don't worry, you can still get good paying jobs without a certificate in Taiwan. I got that e-mail, too, which offers 50000NT/month for unqualified teachers and up to 59000 for certified teachers. Actually when I lived there in 2001 I got 60000NT/month, without any teaching experience or certificate. Thats why I didn't respond to this particular e-mail. It's just one company and there are plenty more recruiters there.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d503 wrote:
Also a lot of times it will qualify you for subbing and teaching in the states.

I think what it does is certify a university Math major to teach math, or a Biology major to teach science, that kind of thing.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, who is "us" again?
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nickthegreek



Joined: 23 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been reading your correspondance between yourselves. I would
like to know about this program in the states; because Australia, NZ and the UK have Graduate diplomes that last for a year and are the same as a B-ed in Canada. Graduate receive an Ontario letter from the Ontario teachers' College. Is this American program the same? If you know let me know.

Thanks Nick Very Happy
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d503



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Location: Daecheong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the states have graduate degrees in education as well. This is a certificate that certifies you to teach inside of your major. Like I said before it tends to be used by people who have a degree in a lower education subject (languages etc)
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