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Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: Imam warns Ottawa to back off Muslims |
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A controversial Toronto imam warned Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan at a closed-door meeting to stop "terrorizing" Canadian Muslims.
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders.
The meeting was part of an effort by Ms. McLellan to reach out to Canadian Muslims amid complaints that the RCMP and Canadian Security Intelligence Service are engaging in racial profiling.
The minister and her officials have been meeting community leaders to explain they are not targeting Muslims generally, only individuals with possible terrorist links.
By many accounts, the meetings have been positive and are contributing to a thaw in relations between Muslims and security agents, even if the exchange in May was a little heated.
Mr. Hindy, who has long complained that CSIS is spying on him, his family and his mosque, told Ms. McLellan that a young Muslim woman complained to him she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers. This allegation could spur reprisals because "our women are the most valuable thing to us" and "for a Muslim, honour is more important than his life," Mr. Hindy said in a recent interview.
He made the point to the minister. Several people who attended shrugged off the imam's remarks, but some Muslims and government agents later approached Mr. Hindy asking him to explain himself.
"The police came to me and said, 'This is a kind of threat,' and I said yes," he said. "But it's for the good of this country.
"And they said, 'Do you know some of the names of those people you expect to cause some problems?' And I said, 'You just open the telephone directory.' "
While government investigators probing the woman's complaint told Mr. Hindy they have not found evidence of wrongdoing, he isn't giving the spy service the benefit of the doubt.
"We believe CSIS should stop terrorizing us," he says in a flyer he is circulating to mosques. "CSIS is powerless. CSIS has no authority over you. If CSIS agents come to your door, do not open [it] for them."
Toronto's Coalition of Muslim Organizations arranged the meeting, and said about 100 Muslim leaders attended. While COMO president Adam Esse noted that, "some people, when they talk, they get a little heated," he said the ministerial visit was "a sign of respect" and was worthwhile overall. "If you talk, you remove a lot of misconceptions, a lot of misunderstandings."
A spokesman for Ms. McLellan agreed. "We feel it was constructive, positive," Alex Swann said.
Even Mr. Hindy said that despite his differences with security agencies "the Deputy Prime Minister, she was very understanding."
In the wake of the London bombings, Ms. McLellan has said that Canadians must become "psychologically prepared" for such an attack.
She has also suggested such strikes are not related to the U.S.-led war in Iraq, in which Britain is a strong partner. Mr. Hindy believes the war in Iraq has caused young Muslims to want to fight against the United States and Britain. "I always say the No. 1 recruiter of al-Qaeda is George W. Bush," he said.
The imam said six or seven young men have approached him to discuss "fighting overseas" in place such as Iraq and Afghanistan.
He said he told them "people fighting in Iraq, they don't need more people."
Instead, Canadian Muslims can wage non-violent jihads (holy struggles) at home. "You have a very good chance to serve Islam here," he said he told them. |
I wonder what the Imam means by "crossing the line". Would sending a Muslim terror suspect to another country be considered "crossing the line"? How about refusing to allow Sharia law in Ontario?
I also wonder what he means by "non-violent jihads"? |
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rapier
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Canada basic facts...
The earliest record of a Muslim presence in Canada dates back to 1871 when the Canadian census recorded just 13 Muslim residents. One hundred and ten years later in 1981 there were 98,165 Muslims. In 2001 there were 400,000 Muslims in Canada.The Canadian Muslim population then increased 128.9 percent in the decade beginning in 1991, making Islam the fastest-growing faith in Canada. Muslims now make up 2 percent of the Canadian population.
There are more than 80 mosques in Canada. In addition to mosques there are numerous locations in most major cities where space (known as musallah) is set aside for prayer purposes. In fact, Muslims now outnumber the Canadian-Jewish population and Islam is now the fastest-growing faith in Canada. One out of every fifty Canadians is a Muslim.
Experts estimate that there are at least 50 international terrorist organizations operating in Canada, including al-Qaida. Many of them are campus organizers pushing forward their anti-Israel and anti-West agendas. Thus, on September 9, 2002 on Montreal's Concordia University, violent clashes erupted between riot police and Arab/Muslim demonstrators preventing a speech by former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. So much for free speech and democratic values. Is this the sort of "secular, democratic state" that Muslim nation-builders envision? |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:33 am Post subject: |
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You know what.... *beep* THEM!!!!
And if they go over there to fight and be trained by terrorists, don't let them back in the country. EVER |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| FUBAR wrote: |
You know what.... *beep* THEM!!!!
And if they go over there to fight and be trained by terrorists, don't let them back in the country. EVER |
that'll be a severe mod warning for FUBAR then, I take it.. |
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Links
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Location: It's censorship and it's downright blasphemous
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Imam warns Ottawa to back off Muslims |
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| "If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control." |
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| "Our women are the most valuable thing to us" and "for a Muslim, honour is more important than his life." |
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"The police came to me and said, 'This is a kind of threat,' and I said yes," he said. "But it's for the good of this country.
"And they said, 'Do you know some of the names of those people you expect to cause some problems?' And I said, 'You just open the telephone directory.' " |
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| "We believe CSIS should stop terrorizing us." "CSIS is powerless. CSIS has no authority over you. If CSIS agents come to your door, do not open [it] for them." |
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| Canadian Muslims can wage non-violent jihads (holy struggles) at home. "You have a very good chance to serve Islam here," he said he told them. |
I wish they could send this idiot to Guantanamo and lock him up for life. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: |
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I always say the No. 1 recruiter of al-Qaeda is George W. Bush," he said.
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I'm really tired of hearing this fat headed statement. Its just stupid big mouthedness that really not befitting of a government official.
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| If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen |
This is a threat. Its really a threat. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| I would love to work for CSIS, but I can't stand Canada. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| I would love to work for CSIS, but I can't stand Canada. |
I thought about it for awhile as well. They usually only take ex-RCMP though and although I passed the tests, the last time I was in canada there was hiring freeze (plus I didn't want to get stationed off in the boonies for the first few years). |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:07 am Post subject: |
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CSIS?
Canada ____ Internal Security or what? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Canada...
Canadian Security Intelligence Service. FBI-lite. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:17 am Post subject: |
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CSIS works closely with the intelligence agencies of the United States, Britain, and Australia. Under the post-WWII Quadpartite Pact all intelligence information is shared between the intelligence agencies of these four countries. While largely relying on information gathered by other countries, CSIS performs its own analyses.
CSIS has come under repeated criticism for some highly publicized failures, such as the apparent fumbling of the investigation into the 1985 Air India bombing and the theft of classified documents from the car of a CSIS agent at a Toronto Maple Leafs hockey game. In 2003, CSIS, unlike intelligence services of Canada's allies, determined that Iraq likely was not a threat. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:20 am Post subject: |
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It's not really comparable to FBI.
It's intelligence gathering only.
It has no judiciary or law enforcement powers.
More like a CIA with a domestic as well as international mandate, but without a big any enough budget for any black bag ops.  |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
More like a CIA with a domestic as well as international mandate, but without a big any enough budget for any black bag ops. |
See, that's what I like about intelligence agencies like the CIA, KGB, and Mossad; if they don't like you they can just grab you up in the middle of the night and disappear your ass. That's an intelligence organ to take seriously.
Can I see a Canadian intelligence agency doing this? No. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well it's not an intelligence agency in the accepted usage of the word, is it?
It's an intelligence-gathering agency.
Sort of in the classic, "isn't this what an intelligence agency is supposed to be doing?" sense of the word.
One less agency to worry about breaking your door down in the middle of the night! 
Basically, there aren't a lot of agencies the govt trusts enough to carry firearms, and CSIS isn't one of them.
I'm happy about that.
Border services- tasked with customs, immigration, and border security-on the other hand... they have rubber bands, paper clips, and harsh language... there's more security and firepower in a local branch of the Banco Equatoriano in Guyaquil than there is on the Cdn side of the Canada-US border. It's an incident waiting to happen. |
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