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guangho

Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: Exile |
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I am curious, how many here came to Korea specifically to avoid life and all its obligations out west? And if you did, how long have you been here and what are your thoughts about it? |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Location: Inchon
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Exile |
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guangho wrote: |
I am curious, how many here came to Korea specifically to avoid life and all its obligations out west? And if you did, how long have you been here and what are your thoughts about it? |
Please define obligations for us, ie: taxes, getting married, children, alimony, what?? |
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guangho

Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Exile |
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inkoreaforgood wrote: |
guangho wrote: |
I am curious, how many here came to Korea specifically to avoid life and all its obligations out west? And if you did, how long have you been here and what are your thoughts about it? |
Please define obligations for us, ie: taxes, getting married, children, alimony, what?? |
I'm thinking more along the line of social obligations. The need to "fit in" so to speak. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Possibly.
A life in the burbs with 2.3 kids, making payments on a car, putting money into the mortgage every month, doing a 9 to 5, and thinking that a week in Club Med is an actual holiday is not appealing at fucking all.
Here, there are no Joneses to keep up with so I live way more comfortably. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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I like the idea of exile, of being out yonder because of one's political convictions or village-offending liberties, but alas, I came to South Korea to travel overseas (never had saved up enough money or courage to simply go around the world), to experience another culture as more than as a tourist (stay a while instead of just passing on through clicking cameras, pointing and knowing very little) and to be able to hop around Asia (as I've done and will do some more; to finish the list).
That said, after six months here I realized the advantages of staying on in South Korea for longer than the planned year to 18 months, and it involves the extra time to work on my writing projects due in part to the lack of distractions, a benefit an exiled person experiences in a society other than their own, all the while pining for the return.
Only, nothing back home is keeping me here, so I guess that's where the analogy ends.
Now to a phrase that's often bantered about in ESL chats:
the_beaver wrote: |
... doing a 9 to 5,...is not appealing at *beep* all.. |
Like doing a 1 to 9 shift five days a week is any more out of the mold! I get your point but using the phrase "a 9-to-5 job" is very misleading: ESLing is as deadend as any 9-to-5 job, and the hours aren't very different, not for the majority who work in hagwons, and certainly not for public school ESLers. |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I am curious, how many here came to Korea specifically to avoid life and all its obligations out west? |
I think this only represent a small minority. The majority here simply could not find decent employment back home. Simple. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Alias wrote: |
The majority here simply could not find decent employment back home. Simple. |
That reason doesn't seem to apply to most ESLers I've met in Korea.
But I haven't been to Seoul much and tend to meet older rather than twentysomething foreigners, so maybe that's true of your experience thereabouts. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I had a really good job problem is that it was so much stress I had a nervous breakdown. I always wanted to travel, I also get bored after 2 years or so. |
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Jensen

Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Location: hippie hell
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Alias wrote: |
...decent employment... |
I think employment is by its very nature an indecent arrangement. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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the_beaver wrote: |
Possibly.
A life in the burbs with 2.3 kids, making payments on a car, putting money into the mortgage every month, doing a 9 to 5, and thinking that a week in Club Med is an actual holiday is not appealing at *beep* all.
Here, there are no Joneses to keep up with so I live way more comfortably. |
dude come on man..
the west is not that bad at all..
problem is you dont make the same money back home as you do here for the hours you work.. im sure if you made more money than you do now back in the west. you would pack up and move out west!
paying off a morgage for your future is not a bad thing!
there is more to going to the bahamas once a year.
you travel around asia often dont you?
no reason why you cant travel to mexico, canada,USA, south american, cuba, the carribean , etc..
keeping up the joneses? dude koreans are more about the joneses than the people back in my westland..
the problem got so out of hand here the government stopped all HIre purchase transactions! now if you want that 55" plasma you can pay either on your CC or pay it in one go..
at least back in the states paying off monthly HP's lets you live in luxery with a small amount going out every month..
everything you can do in korea you can do back home!
the west has more benefits and better living than here..
problem is.,many foreigners here cant earn the money they earn here back home. so they stay here! |
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NightSky
Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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though namecalling is somewhat overdone around here, the OP is almost completely trollish. Came here to avoid life??  |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't come here to avoid or escape obligations in the West. I wasn't really old enough to have had many of those anyway when I first set foot in East Asia. Obligations to parents & family, those are pretty low-stress and in any case I'd still have them if I lived on Jupiter. Korea's no escape in that respect.
But I suppose there must be some foreigners here who were running away from something when they came to Korea. Never really gave that much thought. To get a real sense of their numbers, this ought to have been made as poll. I mean, who's going to say, "Yeah, I'm just here cooling my heels until the statute of limitations runs out on a little matter back home"? What you get are people claiming to be too good, too hip, too special, too intelligent for the standard workaday life in the West (as though everyone the West were living a boring, cookie-cutter existence).
For me, the West has never been a repelling magnet at all. It just wasn't as strong an attracting magnet during a very crucial run of years of my life as was Asia generally and then later Korea specifically. Because of that and because of the decisions I made and things I did then, there's no comparing the two anymore. My obligations as such are mostly all right here in Korea.
Exile? That's only if you see yourself as belonging nowhere in the world except in Country X, in which case nowhere else you go is going to be or feel like home. I don't think I ever lived in a country (this is my 5th) where I started out the adventure consciously thinking to myself, "Okay Guru, you're only here temporarily for a year or two. Better not get settled in. This isn't home".
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
Now to a phrase that's often bantered about in ESL chats:
the_beaver wrote: |
... doing a 9 to 5,...is not appealing at *beep* all.. |
Like doing a 1 to 9 shift five days a week is any more out of the mold! I get your point but using the phrase "a 9-to-5 job" is very misleading: ESLing is as deadend as any 9-to-5 job, and the hours aren't very different, not for the majority who work in hagwons, and certainly not for public school ESLers. |
But in my case, I put in a 12-hour base work week -- I don't do 1-9 or anything else remotely like it. The five months holiday also remove me from that because if I choose to take those holidays the most work I do is 11:00-11:10 when I get out of bed. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
dude come on man..
the west is not that bad at all..
problem is you dont make the same money back home as you do here for the hours you work.. im sure if you made more money than you do now back in the west. you would pack up and move out west!
paying off a morgage for your future is not a bad thing!
there is more to going to the bahamas once a year.
you travel around asia often dont you?
no reason why you cant travel to mexico, canada,USA, south american, cuba, the carribean , etc..
keeping up the joneses? dude koreans are more about the joneses than the people back in my westland..
the problem got so out of hand here the government stopped all HIre purchase transactions! now if you want that 55" plasma you can pay either on your CC or pay it in one go..
at least back in the states paying off monthly HP's lets you live in luxery with a small amount going out every month..
everything you can do in korea you can do back home!
the west has more benefits and better living than here..
problem is.,many foreigners here cant earn the money they earn here back home. so they stay here! |
Truth be known, I was making more in the early 90s than I am now (twice as much) but I didn't like the work so I went back to school.
You're right that Koreans are always trying to keep up with the Kims, but I'm not because I'm in my own little pocket of foreigner subculture and in Korea there's nobody else to keep up with.
My friends back home have few things that I want (better stocked grocery stores and better cuts of meat being exceptions) and they don't have the ninth level of heaven known as Yongsan. Nor do they have extremely long holidays. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Not all of us waeguks are here to avoid or escape anything.
For many it is a choice to live abroad and experience something new.
That was it for me and then I met my wife. Our life here is good. Our life back in Canada would be good as well. I just enjoy living in Korea. |
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