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[igotthisguitar]

Parts of 'Patriot Act' Unconstitutional & Vague: Judge
Fri Jul 29,11:48 PM ET

LOS ANGELES, United States (AFP) - A US federal judge has ruled some provisions of the USA Patriot Act that target funding and assistance to overseas "terrorist" groups as unconstitutionally vague.

The Patriot Act, which critics say undermines the rule of law in the United States, is a package of laws passed in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks on US targets.

US District Judge Audrey Collins found that changes the US Congress made to the way "training" and "expert advice and assistance" are defined in the act continue to read in a way that is unconstitutionally vague.

The provisions on training and giving financial assistance were included in the Patriot Act to strengthen an existing law barring US residents giving aid to groups designated as terror organizations by the United States.

Congress revised them after Los Angeles-based Judge Collins ruled in January 2004 that phrases such as "training" could be interpreted in a way that criminalizes activities protected by the First and Fifth Amendments of the US Constitution and slapped a penalty of up to 15 years on them.

But the judge said in a ruling issued on Monday that the changes were insufficient to render those parts of the act clear enough for an average person to understand, meaning that those provisions remain unconstitutional.

"Even as amended, the term 'training' is not sufficiently clear so that persons of ordinary intelligence can reasonably understand what conduct the statute prohibits," Collins wrote.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usattacksjusticepatriotsrilankaturkey;_ylt=AgaB2xim0w2tsaD_hrFicH8DW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[Ya-ta Boy]

It's good to see the courts fulfilling their constitutional function. Wish it weren't such a slow process, but what can you do?

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Since the Patriot act no attacks in the US.

Jeff Rense wants to see the US government overthrown , and his supporters are rooting for Al Qaida so of course they wants the Patriot gone.

[igotthisguitar]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

You don't know the Patriot act is not the reason.

[igotthisguitar]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

What I said goes anyway.


Al Qaida would get more PR by hittlng the US than by hitting Europe.

And those who don't want the US to defeat Al Qaida all oppose the patriot act.

Of course Jeff Rense wants everyone to think Al Qaida doesn't exist , and that 9-11 was a conspiracy, just like he wants everyone to think that the holocaust never happened.

[some waygug-in]

Just how effective is this Patriot Act?

Hmmm

WB: Trying to boost support for the PATRIOT Act, President Bush has been claiming in several post-election campaign appearances that the Act has been responsible for more than 400 arrests and 200 convictions of terrorists. However, an analysis by the Washington Post reveals that only 39 persons were convicted of crimes related to terrorism; most were convicted of immigration law violations. A better way to look at that would be that half of those arrested were not guilty of terrorism or that the government could not find enough evidence to pursue a case. Overall, conviction is a dismal 9.75 percent of those arrested. Now, let's look at those 39. The average sentence was less than a year, which puts it in the misdemeanor not felony sentencing guidelines. Of those 39, Bush and the Justice Department have repeatedly referred to the conviction of the Lackawanna Six, who were arrested near Buffalo, N.Y. The six young Yemeni-Americans readily acknowledged they had traveled to an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan and had heard a speech by Osama bin Laden. There was no evidence they ever participated in a terrorist threat or attack, or had plans to do so. A reality is that every one of those 39 convictions could have been obtained under laws that existed prior to the passage of the PATRIOT Act. And, we still haven't found Osama bin Laden.

MZ: No Osama��but librarians beware. Congressman Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has said: "The PATRIOT Act expanded police monitoring and investigation of our libraries and booksellers, greatly increasing the reach of federal authorities."

http://www.bushwatch.com/brasch.htm


Ya gotta watch them there librarians.....

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[dogbert]

The unConstitutional "Patriot" Act was actually drafted by a foreigner.

[some waygug-in]

They should use the Patriot act on Micheal Rivero supporters too. [Quote: Joo]

Exactly what opponents to the "Patriot Act" were afraid of. Guys like you want to start arresting people just because they criticize the government.

First the librarians, then supporters of Micheal Rivero (God knows who they are), then anyone who opposes the war, then anyone who voted Democrat ........ on and on. Who's next? ESL teachers probably.

And you wonder why people compare the Bush regime to Hitler?

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[some waygug-in]

He is someone who wants to see Al Qaida win.


You got any proof of that? I've never read or seen anything that supports this claim, except of course your posts. Micheal Rivero says a lot of dumb things sometimes, but I've never heard or read anything like that.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[quote="some waygug-in"]He is someone who wants to see Al Qaida win.

[shakuhachi]

That being said, is there any piece of legislation passed by congress these days that doesnt contain things that go against the constitution?