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It's War!!! -- Bolton goes to the UN!!!
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:45 am    Post subject: It's War!!! -- Bolton goes to the UN!!! Reply with quote

Just got a CNN email update that reports Bush, in his continuing efforts to work his differences out with the opposition in the legislative branch, will name Bolton Ambassador to the UN while Congress is in recess...
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JacktheCat



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess El Presidente got tired of thumbing his nose at foreign governments and decided to give the finger to his own government.

Stay tuned ... up next certain members of congress are labled 'enemy combatants' and shipped off to Gitmo.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit defeat. Last April I predicted the nomination would be withdrawn by May 1. Here it is August 1 and word is out he'll get the appointment without confirmation.

Bush's party has a comfortable majority in the Senate but can't get his nominee through, meaning his own party doesn't think he's qualified for the post. Bolton will be only be on the job till Jan. '07.

How effective can he be? I'd say: not very.

I'll bet Bolton will be left cooling his heels in the waiting room while the Ambassador of Gambia has a photo op with the Girl Scouts.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, the leftist loonies in Washington (and on this board) continue to amuse.

Now, think about it. When you elect a member to Congress/Senate/Parliament etc., and that person states that he/she isn't a big fan of Washington/Ottawa etc. -in otherwords he distrusts the government bureacracy...and is determined to bring about change

would that prevent you from voting for that man/woman?
Do you only suport sychophantic droids who heap endless praise on government institutions???

Or is the temple to the UN so sacrosanct and unique that the duly appointed representative of the United States should have nothing but love and awe for the noble United Nations????


I just don't get it. Our representatives to Washington are supposed to go and fight and wrestle the Washington monster, but our rep. to the UN is supposed to shower rose petals and sing kumbaya???
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and Jack,

He didn't give the finger to the whole government, just to that a** Kennedy and the moonbats who filibustered an appointment that would have passed had a vote to confirm been held.

Capiche??

Bolton would have been confirmed if the Democrats had allowed a vote. He has the support of the President, the Secretery of Stae, and the majority of the Senate.
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Gwangjuboy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clinton made 141 recess appointments.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't get it. Our representatives to Washington are supposed to go and fight and wrestle the Washington monster, but our rep. to the UN is supposed to shower rose petals and sing kumbaya???



Yes, it's clear you don't get it, because you just admitted you have fallen for one of the oldest political scams in the book. When a candidate says he/she is going to go fight Washington he is appealling to your emotions and not your brain.

Your brain would tell you that one Congressman is 1 of 435. You swap votes, make coalitions for each bill, vote for things that you have no interest in whatsoever, and even for some things you don't much like, just so you can gather the votes to get support for what you do want. If the candidate doesn't know this, then he/she shouldn't get your vote. If he does know it and says otherwise, then he/she shouldn't get your vote.

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Bolton would have been confirmed if the Democrats had allowed a vote. He has the support of the President, the Secretery of Stae, and the majority of the Senate.


This is highly questionable. Highly. In fact, having to make a recess appointment is almost a public admission that he couldn't get the nomination through the normal channel of Senate approval. (The recess appointment is in place because originally Congress was in session only a few months a year.) Republican Senators don't seem to have wanted to be put on the spot where they had to vote for Bolton just so Bush wouldn't be embarrassed.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever seen a warmer welcome?


Annan: Bolton Must Cooperate With Envoys By NICK WADHAMS, Associated Press Writer
Mon Aug 1, 1:11 PM ET



U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Monday he looked forward to working with John Bolton but warned that the new U.S. ambassador to the United Nations will have to negotiate with 190 other countries to get what he wants.

Annan and U.N. diplomats played down the significance of President Bush's decision to appoint Bolton while Congress is out of session as a way to bypass Democrats who had blocked a vote in the Senate.

"I think it is the president's prerogative and the president has decided to appoint him through this process," Annan said. "From where I stand we will work with him as the representative of the president and of the government."

In the months since Bush first nominated the fierce critic of the United Nations, diplomats here had demurred when asked about Bolton's criticism and reputation for speaking his mind, saying they would work with him like they do with everyone else.

They were skeptical of both the notion that he would be ostracized for his U.N. views and that he would push through the Bush administration's ambitious U.N. reform agenda all by himself.

Annan stressed that the United Nations and the United States need each other. He said that the relationship had "frayed a little recently and we should be able to get it back on key."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the vacancy needed to be filled before mid-September, when world leaders will gather for a summit in New York to consider Annan's proposals to reform the United Nations.

Annan, too, is focused on that reform.

He cautioned that Bolton won't get what he wants if he tries to take on other U.N. diplomats alone.

"I think it is all right for one ambassador to come and push, but an ambassador always has to remember that there are 190 others who will have to be convinced, or a vast majority of them, for action to take place," Annan said.

Ambassador Ronaldo Mota Sardenberg of Brazil, a member of the U.N. Security Council, said if Bolton is the president's choice, "We are happy with the decision. We will not question it in any way."

"Let's not prejudge his behavior. Let's wait for how he comes and what he says here," Sardenberg said. "Now his responsibilities are precise. The tendency here at the United Nations is for us to work together. So I hope that this general tendency will prevail. That's our expectation."
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JacktheCat



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:

Oh, and Jack,

He didn't give the finger to the whole government, just to that a** Kennedy and the moonbats who filibustered an appointment that would have passed had a vote to confirm been held.

Capiche??



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Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio said he was disappointed by Bush's decision.

"I am truly concerned that a recess appointment will only add to John Bolton's baggage and his lack of credibility with the United Nations," Voinovich said.

Here

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Gwangjuboy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bolton will make a pleasant change from most of the other influential people at the UN who have allowed corruption, and sex scandals comparable to the incidents at Abu Graib involving UN peace keepers (even worse in my opinion) to fester for years on end. In addition, Bloton might also be able to extert pressure in his capacity as the US's representative at the UN to change the UN from a talking shop which did nothing to prevent two of the worst genocides of the last century into a political organ with teeth that will bite. One has to ask; why on earth aren't the liberals calling for Anan's head?
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

because he isn't tied to any of the scandals you mentioned.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a political organ with teeth that will bite.



And you really think what the right wants is an improved UN?
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:
I guess El Presidente got tired of thumbing his nose at foreign governments and decided to give the finger to his own government.

Stay tuned ... up next certain members of congress are labled 'enemy combatants' and shipped off to Gitmo.

By HOOK or by CROOK Twisted Evil
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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a political organ with teeth that will bite.



And you really think what the right wants is an improved UN?


good point.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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I just don't get it. Our representatives to Washington are supposed to go and fight and wrestle the Washington monster, but our rep. to the UN is supposed to shower rose petals and sing kumbaya???



Yes, it's clear you don't get it, because you just admitted you have fallen for one of the oldest political scams in the book. When a candidate says he/she is going to go fight Washington he is appealling to your emotions and not your brain.

Your brain would tell you that one Congressman is 1 of 435. You swap votes, make coalitions for each bill, vote for things that you have no interest in whatsoever, and even for some things you don't much like, just so you can gather the votes to get support for what you do want. If the candidate doesn't know this, then he/she shouldn't get your vote. If he does know it and says otherwise, then he/she shouldn't get your vote.

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Bolton would have been confirmed if the Democrats had allowed a vote. He has the support of the President, the Secretery of Stae, and the majority of the Senate.


This is highly questionable. Highly. In fact, having to make a recess appointment is almost a public admission that he couldn't get the nomination through the normal channel of Senate approval. (The recess appointment is in place because originally Congress was in session only a few months a year.) Republican Senators don't seem to have wanted to be put on the spot where they had to vote for Bolton just so Bush wouldn't be embarrassed.


Whatever.

This, like the Rove brouhaha are just signs of the increasing impotence and pricklishness of the sinking party.

They are desparate for a victory....and they keep grasping at straws.
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