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[seoulunitarian]

Just curious - how many of you believe in UFOs (as extraplanetary) and/or aliens? Regardless of the cynicism that will surely follow, I'd be interested in meeting and talking to those who also believe.

Peace,
Daniel

[red dog]

I'm not sure about UFOs, but I'm sure there's someone out there beyond this planet. What do you believe about UFOs?

[captain kirk]

I believe in UFO's, sure, but, like Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster and so on where's the hard evidence?

The Universe is vast, and that's a gross understatement.



The thing is a UFO is the hardware. Something solid, a machine. A gross, material thing. So where is it? Just because the solid thing isn't available for display/study doesn't mean end of story.

Something closer to home is religious experience, because it's in one's head.

There's a space remote viewers call quantum space or quantum reality, other dimension(s) of goings on that are as real as normal reality, just not usually noticed. Psychics, shamans, mystics know of this; it's nothing new.

My interest/ awareness /experience of these things is superficial bookmarking. I don't dwell on it. But believe it's there and possible.

The Universe is as vast as human ability. Or that of advanced beings, like or beyond humans in ability. Most of the time one's preoccupied with the mundane. One could pause before thinking about these matters to work up some awe.

[mindmetoo]

There must be intelligent life out there but the question is how to cross the vast distances of space and how would you find earth in the first place from 100 light years+ out? Sure these things could be surmounted by some advanced technology but it's a pretty incredible claim to make that someone somewhere has actually managed it. If I claimed to have invented an FTL drive, would you be so quick to invest your hard earned money? You'd exercise some skepticism for sure. But really, I'm a very honest person. Still want to invest? Well, you'd probably figure "he's very honest and it's possible he invented an FTL drive but I'd wager he's deluded."

The same level of skepticism must be applied to reports of UFOs. It's a rather incredible claim, one for which requires some pretty hard evidence (a hunk of saucer metal or an alien body). Sure people claim that evidence is out there but when asked to produce it, well, there's only a conspiracy theory to explain why the evidence isn't actually available.

That's not science.

[Rteacher]

To brush up on my UFO knowledge I did a google search for "UFO's in ancient history" and there were like thousands of websites and books on the subject. One that caught my eye was a report out of Azerbaijan of a sighting there in 2003. The head of the space seismology sector and member of the International-energy-informational academy for the UN, Fuad Gasimov (I know...sounds suspiciously like "Fraud Gasymouth") confirmed that "what appeared in the sky there on May 19 was truly an apparatus from another planet." He added that "currently it is known that there are three alien bases in Azerbaijan territory...It is also known that in 1999 a UFO fell in the Caspian Sea, and ... Iran, Russia and the U.S. were arguing who would get the remains of the objects for research purposes." He said that Azerbaijan needed to construct special hangars like there are in the U.S. - where "up to 120 UFOs are stored in a single hangar." He claimed that Edward Teller (still alive then) was in charge of the U.S. government's UFO research projects...www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=4749

So, what do I think? Yeah, ... they're out there, alright... Many can fly at hyper-speed and seemingly disappear...Some dwell in other dimensions and manifest occasionally... Some are under the sea (and under the ground) ... Alien beings vary widely in appearance and disposition, but I think all of them have greater pyschic powers than ordinary humans .There's also a lot of evidence of their existence in ancient historical (and pre-historical) accounts. (Of course, I know what of I speak here - I happen to be one of THEM!! - and I've got my "alien registration" card to prove it.)

[sonofthedarkstranger]

[huck]

And can you imagine how much a civilization might accomplish with an extra million/hundred million/billion years......you can't assume that they are all like us, where we will eventually wipe ourselves out due to greediness and excessive reproduction, but think how far we have advanced - technologically speaking - in the last 50 or 100 or 200 years....

How much could we do if we had more than a million years?

[mindmetoo]

[sonofthedarkstranger]

I have no evidence. I am not making a case for the existence of UFOs anymore than you are making a case against them.

All I am saying is, perhaps it can be done. You seem to be looking at the interstellar travel issue thru the lens of current human knowledge, which is not the be all and end all of all there is. The very real problems of space travel probably don't matter once you work your way around them.

I think I am probably as skeptical about the whole thing as you are, and I don't think references to star chariots and glowing emmisaries in ancient texts = any evidence whatsoever.

However: "how could they possibly do it?" is not an argument against UFOs.

[red dog]

For once, I think I agree with mindmetoo ... Skepticism is certainly a good thing.

[hypnotist]

The perception we have of our world fits very well the laws of physics we've created. But one shouldn't lose one's grip on the limitations of science. Go ask Popper what he thinks about scientific theories being proven true

I don't believe in the supernatural per se, but I do believe there's a hell of a lot we don't currently understand. Worse, I wonder if there are some things we will never understand. It is the epistemic fallacy to assume that because we can't go faster than the speed of light in our perception of the universe, it must then be impossible.

[scarneck]

What would be the religious impact if it was proven there is actually other life out there?

There'd be alot of 'splaing to do....

[The Cube]

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[death from above]

i'll believe it when i see it.

[hypnotist]