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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: Working in south korea without a visa |
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My wife and I just arrived in south korea, planning on doing a visa run in a couple of days. However our director has asked us to work before the visa run. Supposedly August is a busy month and he is short on workers.
My wife doesn't have a degree or a teaching certificate. I have my degree and certificate. However, I want to do everything legit. He is telling me, that immigration doesn't mind if we teach for a month. What's up with that? That seems to contradict everything I have read on this board.
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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The director sounds like the type of person who is willing to lie to his employees and risk getting them in trouble to get what he wants. I wouldn't want to work for someone like that if I were you.
You need a work visa to work. Right now, you are just here as a tourist. Find a new job. It should be pretty easy. For your wife, though, it may be difficult because I think you need a degree to get a work visa for teaching, but I'm not sure about that. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Working in south korea without a visa |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
My wife and I just arrived in south korea, planning on doing a visa run in a couple of days. However our director has asked us to work before the visa run. Supposedly August is a busy month and he is short on workers.
My wife doesn't have a degree or a teaching certificate. I have my degree and certificate. However, I want to do everything legit. He is telling me, that immigration doesn't mind if we teach for a month. What's up with that? That seems to contradict everything I have read on this board.
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Immigration don't mind if they don't know. If one of your boss's competitors turns you in, Immigration will mind. If Immigration does a random spot check and busts you, Immigration will mind. If your boss gets pissed off at you and maybe you have a private on the side, Immigration will mind.
What they don't know doesn't hurt them. What they do know hurts you.
I think the current crackdown might be over now, so you'll probably be safe from a random check. It might be the case that your boss has enemies keeping watch on him though, so you might never be safe.
Many many people work illegally for months or years though, so don't get too stressed. You MIGHT be the 1/300 that gets busted, you might not.
Oh, your wife should worry though. If she's going to shadow you and work illegally for years on end.. she has a decent chance of getting busted. Send her to Khao San road and get her a degree and transcripts for goodness sakes! a GOOD 4 yr university education with transcripts will only cost you a couple of hundred dollars. Its worth it, to be safe and legal
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| hyeon hee wrote: |
| Many many people work illegally for months or years though, so don't get too stressed. You MIGHT be the 1/300 that gets busted, you might not. |
The people that do work illegally and fly under the radar are ones that work for themselves and don't sign any contracts and aren't linked with any hagwon/school...
It is the ones that work just for one school that are usually the ones that get caught, more often than not....
To fiveeagles
I wouldn't do it...sounds like you are walking into a bad situation, especially with your wife not having a degree and your future employee will know this and may use it as leverage to get you to work illegally for longer..
Immigration DO care, he is already lying to you from the first day...now you are here just remember without a visa you can go and work for whoever you want...at the slightest hint of trouble say to him you are aware of this fact and he should stop lying...
Have you talked to other people from the school???
-Yes, and they give it a good report then my concern would be less.
-No(or no reponse) then I wouldn't be walking into this place..
I know you are in a rush to get over and start your big adventure but don't let it turn into a nightmare that will leave you having a bad experience. It will end up costing you more money than you make...
| hyeon hee wrote: |
| I think the current crackdown might be over now, so you'll probably be safe from a random check |
Are you joking, immigration are right at the peak of the crackdown now..I know of 2 camps that have busted this wek... |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Suprisingly, the school has a great reputation. We are here in Jeju and the foreigners we talk to, say good things about the school.
I think the problem is because a few of the teachers have left or quit(?) and he is short on teachers for the amount of students. He wants us to step in and pick up the slack.
Anyway, I found this statement in the immigration law. Doesn't seem to be any wiggle room.
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| WORKING IN THE REPUBLIC OF KOREA: Americans going to the Republic of Korea to teach, model or work for a company (part-time or full-time, paid or unpaid) must enter the ROK using the appropriate work visa. Changes of status from any other visa status to a work visa are not granted within the country. Any foreigner who begins work without the appropriate visa is subject to arrest, costly fines, and deportation. Persons working without a valid work permit and who have a contractual dispute with their employers have little or no entitlement to legal recourse under Korean law. |
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| Oh, your wife should worry though. If she's going to shadow you and work illegally for years on end.. she has a decent chance of getting busted. Send her to Khao San road and get her a degree and transcripts for goodness sakes! a GOOD 4 yr university education with transcripts will only cost you a couple of hundred dollars. Its worth it, to be safe and legal |
She already has 3 years and has one year to go. Where is this school? Is it an online school?
Thanks for the info...
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Khao San Road is a street in Bangkok, and there are many shops there where you can buy fake degrees and transcripts for a few hundred bucks.
I'm with everyone else, don't do it, it's not worth the risk. |
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pegpig

Joined: 10 May 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Just because a wjn wants to take shortcuts or wants you to work illegally doesn't make them bad. I know that sounds crazy, but this is Korea. Most hogwans circumvent the laws somewhat. I worked illegally for my 3rd boss for 5 months. I knew it though. They are still the one of the nicest Korean couples I've met.
You only have to wait a couple of days, right. That's no big deal whether you work or not. I'd tell him, no you're not working. It's only a few days until you go on your visa run.
The wife's situation is a different story. She can't work. Period. I guess that period's redundant. That Khao son road idea, or whatever, is buying fake degrees. Just say no. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I did EXACTLY what your boss said to do. Although I was told "work NOW or get out of OUR apartment."
Immigration raided my school on day #2.
Result:
Fine of 500,000 won for me. They said if the school hadn't had me in an apartment, I'd have been fined more and deported.
School: Fines totalling at least 3 million for having 2 illegal foreigners.
My passport was taken until I paid. I had to leave the country within a short time period. That cost me nearly 550,000 to fly to Japan and back. I was told they might not approve my next job. I was given a probationary 6-month E-2 on that next job (no chance for year-end severence, in that case). |
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pegpig

Joined: 10 May 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| ok, ok, wait. I don't get it. It's only a few days. Why don't they want to wait. Anywho. They'll get over it. My first boss wanted me there rightaways in June or whatever it was. I arrived in mid July. As my good friend Mick once said, "You can't always get what you want." |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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you can work.. your wife cant!
you need a university degree to work in Korea as an English teacher!
if your boss hires her anyway then so be it! take the risk I doubt you will get caught! and if you do.. dont worry its not so bad! the boss will be fined! and so will your wife.. she might get kicked out..
but the odds of you getting caught are very very unlikely! |
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astroboyfan

Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
you can work.. your wife cant!
you need a university degree to work in Korea as an English teacher!
if your boss hires her anyway then so be it! take the risk I doubt you will get caught! and if you do.. dont worry its not so bad! the boss will be fined! and so will your wife.. she might get kicked out..
but the odds of you getting caught are very very unlikely! |
This is very true. Everytime Immi came to my last school they called the director up and told him they were coming on such a such a day around x o'clock. It was a joke. He just hid the teachers who hadn't gone on their visa run went upstairs.
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| astroboyfan wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
you can work.. your wife cant!
you need a university degree to work in Korea as an English teacher!
if your boss hires her anyway then so be it! take the risk I doubt you will get caught! and if you do.. dont worry its not so bad! the boss will be fined! and so will your wife.. she might get kicked out..
but the odds of you getting caught are very very unlikely! |
This is very true. Everytime Immi came to my last school they called the director up and told him they were coming on such a such a day around x o'clock. It was a joke. He just hid the teachers who hadn't gone on their visa run yet upstairs. |
They never did that at my school. I'm sure your school was paying a bribe. |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| You must be one of them dirty Canadians. |
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astroboyfan

Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| You must be one of them dirty Canadians. |
Easy big guy. I have a degree and was/am legal. It was the damn Aussie that had to hid upstairs  |
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spidey112233
Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| You must be one of them dirty Canadians. |
so? what if he is? he's wont be the first OR last!
some people STILL gotta get over this ego complex of themselves being better than someone like this guys wife. yeah, ya got a degree, so do i. but it doesnt take ANY kind of paperwork to teach 10 year olds. Only for legal purposes. |
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