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waggo
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 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: Is the BBC failing to report the news? |
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005360336,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4125854.stm
I found this interesting in the volatile climate surrounding race in England at the moment.The same news story but far more information in the tabloid article than in the BBC article.
Is the BBC guilty of failing to report the news effectively if it risks putting the ethnic minorities in an unfavorable light? You have to go to the last sentence to see any mention of the ethnic make up of the murderers or the murdered.
Horrific crime anyway. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Is the BBC guilty of failing to report the news effectively if it risks putting the ethnic minorities in an unfavorable light? You have to go to the last sentence to see any mention of the ethnic make up of the murderers or the murdered.
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Well, yeah. But if you DO take the time to read to the end of the article, you'll see that the crime is being investigated by an organization which deals with "crime among black communities". So I'm not sure how you can think there is a cover-up going on. |
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keithinkorea
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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The sun is a silly little tabloid paper. Have you ever 'read' the print copy, it is like is is designed for people with an eight year olds mentality. It takes about 15 minutes to read the paper and about 4 or 5 minutes to do the crossword.
It is pretty irrelevent what race the victims and the perps are. It's a horrible crime nonethless. If there is a racial element then it is reported by the BBC and this is unlikely to be a racially motivated incident. Far more crimes with a racial element are carried out by whites than by the ethnic minorities that live in the UK and if you're black you've got more chance of being hurt by another black person in these incidents. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Far more crimes with a racial element are carried out by whites than by the ethnic minorities that live in the UK and if you're black you've got more chance of being hurt by another black person in these incidents. |
That's because white on black crimes are usually labelled as such even though there is often no evidence to support the racial motive theory. Anyway, I would like to see some links. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Its a drug crime obviously but its a horrific drug crime....a baby...was just left there covered in blood!...Its just astonishing to me how far my country has slipped down hill and astonishing that this isnt a headliner.
A vicious white on black murder is a headline...a black on white murder isnt a headline and a triple black on black murder with a baby involved....is just a news item.
Now are black people getting murdered(if its not done by whites) not newsworthy at the moment to the BBC or is the organisation operating under a very strong culturally sensitive agenda....i.e. it isnt doing its job properly.I think the latter. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Many blackmen in the UK are vicious criminals. Has anyone been to the St Ann's estate in Nottingham? |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| Far more crimes with a racial element are carried out by whites than by the ethnic minorities that live in the UK |
Hardly surprising when whites make up over 90% of the population. Anyway, do you have any statistics to back up that claim. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Many blackmen in the UK are vicious criminals. Has anyone been to the St Ann's estate in Nottingham? |
Yes, I have friends who live there. You'd be mad to think it's just black men who make that estate as bad as it is, believe me.
Edit: Ok, I should say more. When I grew up, St Ann's was ok. The bad part was always the Meadows (where the students from Nottingham Uni try not to live..). There have always been gangs around the Meadows, and they weren't all black - not by a long shot. The area around Mansfield Road wasn't such a nice place either. Recently St Ann's has been ghettoised (though give me there rather than the North Peckham estates any day) and I wouldn't walk through it at night, but it's far from a no-go area. It needs a lot of help, but it's starting to get it. (One of my friends from uni works for the council on interagency co-operation to reduce crime, so I have some idea what's going on there.)
By the way, what IS in the Sun story that's not in the BBC one?
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Butterfly
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I would say that The Sun just loves the word Yardie, it's one of those bogeyman words that makes it's readers all goose pimply. 
Both news items mention that this is a black on black crime, one can't wait to spit it out, to build up to the word 'yardie' and the other reports it as a matter of course.
One speculates, one doesn't. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: |
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waggo wrote:
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| Is the BBC guilty of failing to report the news effectively if it risks putting the ethnic minorities in an unfavorable light? |
Gwangjuboy :
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| white on black crimes are usually labelled as such even though there is often no evidence to support the racial motive theory. |
waggo wrote :
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| A vicious white on black murder is a headline...a black on white murder isnt a headline and a triple black on black murder with a baby involved....is just a news item. |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Many blackmen in the UK are vicious criminals. Has anyone been to the St Ann's estate in Nottingham? |
"Many" white men in the UK are criminals and many of them quite vicious, I'm told. A statement like this one tells only the half of the story the writer perfers you to hear. I, for one, wonder what the point is that is being made.
Since there are more white men than black in the UK - still true, despite all the protestations one hears that immigration is getting out of hand - well, one would have to suppose that, statistically speaking, I'm in slightly more danger from a group of 7 or 8 football hooligans walking toward me on any particular street, especially if they take a notion not to like the colors or words on my t-shirt, than I would be in danger from drug dealers of any skin color while sitting at home watching TV. Racist moronic imbeciles such as the people I describe also have the potential to actually create conditions for exactly the kind of violence from members of minority groups that a statement like the above wish to promote as fact, rather than conjecture.
That's the real world, but statements such as the ones above would tend to point your heart and mind in a different direction.
People who hate are motivated by fear, fear of what is different, and it is just that kind of fear that represents the greatest danger, not any real aspect contained by the people we meet who are different from us.
Racist thugs who commit violence upon people of other races are dangerous also to those of us who are not of other races. Gangsters tend to limit their mayhem on other gangsters - I don't especially like that either, but I have far less reason to feel its threat it than I ought to feel the threat of a society that reacts in fear and fails to oppose and repudiate political groups such as the BNP.
And just as people who choose hate as a hobby also harbor this core of fear in their gut, so they also seek to spead that fear in hopes that others will feel it as they do. It is so sad to be alone and fearful, hence the efforts to persuade. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Racist moronic imbeciles such as the people I describe also have the potential to actually create conditions for exactly the kind of violence from members of minority groups |
And here you have the ultra-liberal position in a nutshell. White racism is simply caused by ignorance, fear and hatred of the 'other'. Racism on the part of minorities is merely a reaction to white racism, and is therefore not so bad. Has it ever occured to you that there are sick b@stards of all races, and that whites do not hold a monopoly on racism.
I suppose that when those Pakistani racists abducted, tortured and brutally killed Kris Donald in Glasgow, they were simply reacting to years of white oppression. That's probably why it barely made the national news. |
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rapier
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| Britain lost a lot by shedding its traditional christian morality, its cultural identity, its respect for family and elders, etc etc. The modern crime wave is just a symptom of a country that has lost its way entirely. "No longer Great". |
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keithinkorea
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Completely agree Mr Bobster.
I studied in Manchester and lived close to both Moss side and Salford at various times. Salford was easily as dangerous as Moss side, but Moss side got more press because the criminals were more often black guys.
Salford is a a very vicious place indeed, a friend of mine had the police come around one morning asking if they had seen some (white) kids -about 14 years of age or so- who set fire to a homeless guy for kicks  Almost everyone I know who had the misfortune of living in some parts of Salford got robbed and there were quite a few racist attacks carried out by white guys in the area. The BNP have quite a large following in some of the nastier areas. Fortunatley for me I never lived there but I lived close enough to still feel a little afraid at some of the stuff going on around the place.
Moss side is very dangerous too, but I lived near there and the police only came round once, actually they were CID and it was about a crime commited by white gangsters. It was a rather nasty murder case.
The only time I felt in danger around my neighbourhood that was close to the moss side area was when a friend of mine was being and idiot in a blues bar and being quite insulting towards obvious gangster types, he was lucky not to get killed for that, fortunately a couple of us were diplomatic with the guys bought them a couple of drinks and apologised for our friends stupid drunken behaviour, they were actually quite civil after a couple of 'red stripes' and an apology on the behalf of our drunken idiot friend! Who had by this time came to his senses but was scared to talk to the very big mean looking black guys.
I've heard that a lot of money has gone in to Moss Side to develop decent housing and rebuild a sense of community. I hope things have changed for the better, there was money pouring into Salford at the time too but I guess it takes time for people to get out of the whole 'culture of poverty trap'.
Race is not a barrier to people doing nasty things. All races are capable of being scumbags. |
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keithinkorea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Britain lost a lot by shedding its traditional christian morality, its cultural identity, its respect for family and elders, etc etc. The modern crime wave is just a symptom of a country that has lost its way entirely. "No longer Great". |
I dont know what exactly Christian morality has to do with it? We do agree that the country is in a bloody mess it seems. It's not a lot worse than many other places but the 'Great' should be removed from common usuage. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| I dont know what exactly Christian morality has to do with it? |
One aspect is that in the past it was considered quite shameful to bring up kids outside marriage. In the UK, as such 'judgementalism' has gone out of fashion, teenage pregnancy, transient relationships and single parenthood have rocketed. The result is that many children are now raised in unstable conditions and are not taught basic values. Hence, the collapse in manners and decency and the increase in crime. |
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