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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:02 am    Post subject: Bush supports religion in science class Reply with quote

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The White House entered one of the country's most politically charged red- and-blue battles last week when Bush was asked at a news conference about his views on evolution and intelligent design -- a critique that says Charles Darwin's natural selection theory doesn't explain some features of the natural world.

"I felt like both sides ought to be properly taught," Bush said. "I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought."

The mere fact that Bush mentioned intelligent design on the same footing as evolutionary teaching is being seen as a huge moral boost for anti-Darwin critics.



What next....challenging the age of the earth? Confused

There is no debate about this in science circles. It is all about religion.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that news clip, too. Teaching 'Intelligent Design' in science class strikes me as a way to do an end run around the parents who don't send their kids to church every Sunday morning and Wednesday evening.

Bob the biology teacher at the high school I taught in said he never ever uttered the name Darwin in class--until the day every semester the kids came in from my class where we debated Darwinism. He said it saved him a big headache if he avoided the words and just taught the theory without drawing attention to it. He said being called a coward by me was preferable to spending his free time in conferences with irrate and ignorant parents. I could see the wisdom in that.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, read my last post on the "Humans in N.A. 40,000 years ago" for the real scoop on religion and science... (OK, shameless plug - and stretching/ shredding the thread topic as usual...) YO GOTTA PROBLEM WID DHAT! (er...I better get some sleep...) Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, read my last post on the "Humans in N.A. 40,000 years ago" for the real scoop on religion and science... (OK, shameless plug - and stretching/ shredding the thread topic as usual...) YO GOTTA PROBLEM WID DHAT ??! (er...I better get some sleep...) Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do think the supreme court back in the 80s, in a ruling (McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education) it had regarding giving creationism equal time in science class, indicated that what should be taught in science class is established science. Established science is in essence what scientists do: a real science has established journals, phd programs, etc. Creationism and now ID both lack this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bush is an imbecile, supersitions and myths have no place in a science class. If parents want their kids to be taught that nonsense then they should send them to some weird church school or something and not expect tax payers to fund the promotion of idiotic ideas.

A waste of time for the students and a waste of taxpayers money.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bush is an imbecile, supersitions and myths have no place in a science class. If parents want their kids to be taught that nonsense then they should send them to some weird church school or something and not expect tax payers to fund the promotion of idiotic ideas.

A waste of time for the students and a waste of taxpayers money.


If you have an opinion on this topic, it is OK to state it. No need to be diplomatic or coy about it. It's what this forum is for. Feel free to tell us what you really think. Don't hold back. Really, it's OK.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my private christian school in canada (in alberta even) taught me all about darwin and, as far as i know, very few to no parents complained (course i was a kid so how was i to know for certain).
As a young xtian, i found it totally fascinating and i continue to do so. Do i give it creedence? You betcha. Do i give creation creedence? you betcha.

Does that have anything to do with it being taught in my high school? not one freakin' iota.
I think to keep evolution FROM kids is doing them a REAL disservice and to put creationism in a SCIENCE classroom is wrong.

That said, I think that there SHOULD be religious studies classes mandatory for every student (though not ONLY xtianity).

Back to the main point though, it seems so strange that such an old idea is getting such a hard ride of things in the US and not in other countries; even in other "judeo-xtian" countries.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied the bible in my high school English class (a big portion of the OT and just a few passages from the NT). I found it worthwhile. Only time I've read the bible.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The timing of this speech is directly related to his sinking poll numbers. When your foreign policy, economic policy and personal integrity are all under question, drag out a culture war issue. It shores up the base.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and this is one of the reasons Bush is such a dangerous leader. He can't see this. He is consumed by his ideology and can not see this point.

As an Xtian, I've gotta say that it is quite easy to believe in "Evolution" (though maybe not as darwin saw it exactly) and creation; in the "it" crowd, we call it Theistic evolution, or The Fence-Sitting Theory. There are a LOT of websites giving information AND the theory itself is VERY broad and encompasses various subviews (from only a tiny bit of creation, to a LOT of creation to no creation and varying degrees of evolutionary effect).

To chalk my faith (at least on this point) as being mutually exclusive from the belief in evolution is a BIT ...uhm...off maybe?
My uni (my B.Sc uni anways) was FILLED with xtian profs..everyone of them believed in evolution and everyone were VERY strong Christians. I've met a few xtians around who seem to be so totally offended by that idea that they make an x with their fingers when i come around.
If you mean conservative xtian ideology, i'd agree, BUT I would like to remind everyone that there are liberal xtians who are pretty cool and who think bush is a big ol' silly billy.

I got the impression that the point was that Bush is being a fascist and imposing his religious views? Maybe that wasn't your point but it seems a few on this board get a bit wired on the matter.

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Still a problematic thing to hold a class on,
curious...how so?
as for studying the bible...there are a lot of great quotes there.
two of the ones i glanced at today (sorry, no numbers and stuff)
So don't worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow will have enough worries of it's own.
and
man has tamed creatures, livestock, dogs, bears, and all types of water creatures yet he cannot tame his tongue.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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